Obama Administration Employs Spy Tactics

[TruthAboveAll]

Domestic Surveillance. The words bring images of the Bush administration wanting wiretaps on international/foreign phone calls with domestic links to be able to be tapped for security purposes, looking for possible terrorist activity or the planning thereof. The hue and cry was immediate and loud, critics coming out of the woodwork from both the Democrats and the main-stream media.

There was even quite a bit of consternation voiced from the Conservative side of issues. Civil liberties must be protected While it was perceived a balance could be struck between the protection of those liberties and the gathering of intelligence data, it was widely demanded that personal liberties could not be compromised. The Congress held ground on that, and the SCOTUS confirmed the solidity of that demand.

Flash forward to, well, today. Suddenly we are embroiled in one of the most heated debates in the U.S. since Vietnam. Partly springing from the initial 2009 debates on the economy and the threat of overwhelming tax increases, the health care reform debate is exploding. Oh, excuse me. The new terminology per PBO is insurance reform. That creates the image of a much better bogeyman.

Do we dare speak what we see to be truth? Perhaps not. The Obama administration is now seeking narcs and snitches, asking we-the-people to advise them:

if you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy

Ah! More of that CHANGE you can believe in!

 

[Cassidy]

Does this apply to us? If we say here that we do not like the health bill we will be turned in?

Or is this only for spam emails about it?

 

[TruthAboveAll]

Does this apply to us? If we say here that we do not like the health bill we will be turned in?

Or is this only for spam emails about it?

Oh, absolutely. That is exactly what they are looking for. Anyone out here in cyber-space speaking any anti-0bamaisms, could be turned in by Obama-snitches.

Obamamygosh! We are going to have an entirely new V-0bamacabulary here before we're done!

Stick with us, kiddo, and welcome to the club!

 

[pocketfullofshells]

so in your mind , the government listing to your phone calls with no warrant, is on the same ground of , if you get Emails that don't seem to be factual about health care, send them to us? I guess its really close, asking people to send Email so they know what fake "facts" are being put out, so they can address them....is the same thing as them tapping your phone line with no legal reason. right....

and guess what we all know who the "enemies" are...its not like its a big secret who is funding and putting these out.

 

[top gun]

so in your mind , the government listing to your phone calls with no warrant, is on the same ground of , if you get Emails that don't seem to be factual about health care, send them to us? I guess its really close, asking people to send Email so they know what fake "facts" are being put out, so they can address them....is the same thing as them tapping your phone line with no legal reason. right....

and guess what we all know who the "enemies" are...its not like its a big secret who is funding and putting these out.

Yes! You see to the Lunatic Right it's fine to listen in on the general publics regular daily phone conversations and look into their private e-mails.

BUT! If someone supporting the Republicants is intentionally spreading misinformation and completely fabricated lies through calls or e-mails on an important healthcare issue to purposely trick and fraud the American people...

then the people receiving these unwanted calls & e-mails must not tell anybody and the government has no right nor reason to want to post the true facts.

It's Republicant strategy #101.

It's called... a wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse! Keep 'em blind, keep 'em blind!

 

[TruthAboveAll]

Domestic Surveillance. The words bring images of the Bush administration wanting wiretaps on international/foreign phone calls with domestic links to be able to be tapped for security purposes, looking for possible terrorist activity or the planning thereof. The hue and cry was immediate and loud, critics coming out of the woodwork from both the Democrats and the main-stream media.

There was even quite a bit of consternation voiced from the Conservative side of issues. Civil liberties must be protected While it was perceived a balance could be struck between the protection of those liberties and the gathering of intelligence data, it was widely demanded that personal liberties could not be compromised. The Congress held ground on that, and the SCOTUS confirmed the solidity of that demand.

Flash forward to, well, today. Suddenly we are embroiled in one of the most heated debates in the U.S. since Vietnam. Partly springing from the initial 2009 debates on the economy and the threat of overwhelming tax increases, the health care reform debate is exploding. Oh, excuse me. The new terminology per PBO is insurance reform. That creates the image of a much better bogeyman.

Do we dare speak what we see to be truth? Perhaps not. The Obama administration is now seeking narcs and snitches, asking we-the-people to advise them:

Ah! More of that CHANGE you can believe in!

I received a reputation comment on this post stating I'm a hypocrite. IF the someone who posted that would be so decent as to tell me what they see as hypocrisy?

 

[BigRob]

so in your mind , the government listing to your phone calls with no warrant, is on the same ground of , if you get Emails that don't seem to be factual about health care, send them to us? I guess its really close, asking people to send Email so they know what fake "facts" are being put out, so they can address them....is the same thing as them tapping your phone line with no legal reason. right....

and guess what we all know who the "enemies" are...its not like its a big secret who is funding and putting these out.

The government did not go around listening to the phone calls of American citizens without a warrant.

 

[TruthAboveAll]

Yes! You see to the Lunatic Right it's fine to listen in on the general publics regular daily phone conversations and look into their private e-mails.

No, it's not. This is nothing more than gross false characterizations.

BUT! If someone supporting the Republicants is intentionally spreading misinformation and completely fabricated lies through calls or e-mails on an important healthcare issue to purposely trick and fraud the American people...

then the people receiving these unwanted calls & e-mails must not tell anybody and the government has no right nor reason to want to post the true facts.

Prove it. First, prove that anyone is 'intentionally spreading misinformation and completely fabricated lies. This is akin to saying "because you see the glass half full, you are lying, since it is half empty." There are different things going on here. In the absence of details, which HR 3200 is 1000+ pages of such, the mind is free to extrapolate various scenarios. It doesn't mean anyone is fabricating lies, or even spreading misinformation. Simply that they perceive a threat and a specific outcome where you do not.

Second, prove that we give a rip about who you tell. That isn't the point. I don't care if you want to cry and whine to Imperial PBO that the nasty Republicans, Independents and Conservatives from various parties are raising alarms about this Trojan horse. The true facts are based on what we have record of, what we have in writing, and what we know to be sworn methodology of those with contempt for the inherent strengths of a free America. What we will not stand silently for is a violation of our First Amendment rights, and SCOTUS' standing ruling pertaining to such. Either the WH MUST keep a record of correspondence, or it cannot collect it. Period.

It's Republicant strategy #101.

It's called... a wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse! Keep 'em blind, keep 'em blind!

Amazing! Your whole reference to a "strategy" and your cutsey little saying is much more akin to Progressive Democrat methodology than not. According to your usual diatribe, "Republicants" can't tell the difference between their arse and a hole in the ground. Now you've got us using Alinsky-like techniques? Wow.

 

[TruthAboveAll]

The government did not go around listening to the phone calls of American citizens without a warrant.

Hey BigRob! So true, but again, it's those pesky details that are so troublesome, and historical facts must either be rewritten or at least contrived to tell a different story...