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Let's back this train up for a minute... You said we needed a leader who was good at conveying conservative principles to the American people. Was Romney that guy? I inferred from your comments that you would have agreed with me that he wasn't that guy. Romney had too many flip-flops where he had to reverse himself from previous positions in order to "sound" like a conservative for the election. His foundation was not conservative principles but political expedience, hence the explanation of his flip-flops with regards to working "across the isle" with dems to govern a blue state. Romney's supporters said this proven flexibility was a benefit to his candidacy but to people looking for a leader grounded in conservative principles that inconsistency was a liability. Now as to your question... I asked if there were any "Conservatives" who weren't Collectivists, are there any? From the intellectual leaders of Conservatism to the candidates they support, all seem to be collectivists - just not as radically collectivist as the Left. Again, it's a difference of degree rather than substance. Both "Conservatives" and "Liberals" agree that the welfare state is necessary and they both agree in having a foreign policy based on military interventionism. This agreement comes from both having their philosophical foundations based on collectivism. I would agree with Gipper that of the candidates who ran, Ron Paul was the least collectivist - however - I also think he does a horrible job of explaining his positions and thereby winning popular support. Would Ron Paul have lost? Yes, badly. The electorate has been moving Left for nearly a century, they obviously want more collectivism, not less, hence the Obama victory. So even if I do offer a specific candidate that isn't a collectivist, you would counter by pointing out they couldn't win - and you'd be right. The P schools and media have ensured that Progressive Collectivism is the dominant ideology (Right and Left) in this country, so the country will continue to move in the direction of big government statism and do so at the expense of individual rights and liberty.
Let's back this train up for a minute... You said we needed a leader who was good at conveying conservative principles to the American people. Was Romney that guy? I inferred from your comments that you would have agreed with me that he wasn't that guy. Romney had too many flip-flops where he had to reverse himself from previous positions in order to "sound" like a conservative for the election. His foundation was not conservative principles but political expedience, hence the explanation of his flip-flops with regards to working "across the isle" with dems to govern a blue state. Romney's supporters said this proven flexibility was a benefit to his candidacy but to people looking for a leader grounded in conservative principles that inconsistency was a liability.
Now as to your question... I asked if there were any "Conservatives" who weren't Collectivists, are there any? From the intellectual leaders of Conservatism to the candidates they support, all seem to be collectivists - just not as radically collectivist as the Left. Again, it's a difference of degree rather than substance. Both "Conservatives" and "Liberals" agree that the welfare state is necessary and they both agree in having a foreign policy based on military interventionism. This agreement comes from both having their philosophical foundations based on collectivism.
I would agree with Gipper that of the candidates who ran, Ron Paul was the least collectivist - however - I also think he does a horrible job of explaining his positions and thereby winning popular support. Would Ron Paul have lost? Yes, badly. The electorate has been moving Left for nearly a century, they obviously want more collectivism, not less, hence the Obama victory. So even if I do offer a specific candidate that isn't a collectivist, you would counter by pointing out they couldn't win - and you'd be right. The P schools and media have ensured that Progressive Collectivism is the dominant ideology (Right and Left) in this country, so the country will continue to move in the direction of big government statism and do so at the expense of individual rights and liberty.
