I voted my conscience, and more democrats should’ve had one.

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That’s my takeaway from Kamala’s defeat. Besides the Palestinian genocide I’m also talking about the disgust the liberal voters had just with the general relationship between the democrats and the donor class and the lobbyists. I hope democrats can finally understand that these people aren’t their allies in the end. Someone like Alyssa Farrah Griffin couldn’t care less if liberals ever win anything. That includes with this election. I saw how she was last night. No fear at all in her. Don’t listen to neo-cons. Don’t listen to the lobbyists. Don’t listen to so called former republicans. Listen to your voters. Inspire them and you will win.
 
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If everyone had done what you did and voted for Stein, it would have changed nothing. The Palestinians are all in for it, especially the Gazans. How many of them do you think Netanyahu can kill before Trump does anything? There are still nearly two million Gazans left, plus they are also killing West Bank Palestinians and Lebanese.
 
Gabriel_Bell said:
If everyone had done what you did and voted for Stein, it would have changed nothing. The Palestinians are all in for it, especially the Gazans. How many of them do you think Netanyahu can kill before Trump does anything? There are still nearly two million Gazans left, plus they are also killing West Bank Palestinians and Lebanese.
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I’m not saying they should’ve voted for Stein. I’m saying democrat voters should’ve embraced the Palestinian’s cause more and not shunned protestors when they interrupted Genocide Joe or Kamala at rallies. All democrats should’ve protested Biden and demanded he stop these atrocities or at least stop funding and arming them. Many progressives didn’t turn out to vote. That’s why even Stein’s numbers are low besides in Michigan for obvious reasons. I was right about what was going to happen and that’s why Trump won the popular vote. Turn out was terrible for the left. True progressives either stayed home or voted for Stein.
 
I disagree. I am sure that any amount of protests would never have forced Biden to cut off aid to Israel, though that is what I would have done long ago.

If everyone had imitated you, it would have changed absolutely bupkis.
 
Gabriel_Bell said:
I disagree. I am sure that any amount of protests would never have forced Biden to cut off aid to Israel, though that is what I would have done long ago.

If everyone had imitated you, it would have changed absolutely bupkis.
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Biden wasn’t the candidate. He had to leave the race because of pressure from democrats. Once Kamala was in she could’ve said she was going to be different. It’s not like Biden could’ve pulled her out. We all know Biden is a Zionist piece of crap. But he was going to leave the race anyways from pressure about his age. And pressure about Gaza from more democrats I believe would’ve affected Harris. And not enough democrats were protesting when Biden was the candidate to prove my point wrong.
 
So you think Kamala would have won if she had advocated cutting off aid to Israel and even managed to do so?
I really doubt it.

Americans did not care about all the people our soldiers have killed over the years in various counterrevolutionary military adventures, such as Guatemala, Salvador, Iraq, or Vietnam.

The major influence that most Americans have seen resulting from these adventures is a number of ethnic restaurants: Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Central American, Peruvian, Argentine and such.
 
Gabriel_Bell said:
So you think Kamala would have won if she had advocated cutting off aid to Israel and even managed to do so?
I really doubt it.

Americans did not care about all the people our soldiers have killed over the years in various counterrevolutionary military adventures, such as Guatemala, Salvador, Iraq, or Vietnam.

The major influence that most Americans have seen resulting from these adventures is a number of ethnic restaurants: Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Central American, Peruvian, Argentine and such.
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We’ve had a whole year of progressives getting more and more mad with the Biden administration. Everyday they were losing supporters probably because of this genocide. I voted for Obama, Hillary, and Biden. So I think I’d be pretty indicative of how high turnout didn’t happen for democrats over genocide was the case. Now mainstream media is not going to tell you that at all. They’re paid off too and support Israel. They’re saying democrats went too far left. Which is absurd because they were campaigning with the Cheneys for voters who didn’t exist.
 
No, they were trying to get people to get off their butts and vote, and they were less successful at this than in 2020.
Harris lost because she did not get the voter turnout that she needed. Gaza is a disaster, but Americans as a whole do not see it as you do.

There are a lot of Jews who give much more attention to Israel (which to their minds can do no wrong) and would have voted for Trump or stayed home had Biden cut off aid to Netanyahu. And of course, there are a lot of very wealthy Jews who fund the Democratic party. I don't see how cutting off aid to Israel wold have benefited the Harris campaign. It could well have lost them votes, not just now, but in the future.
 
Gabriel_Bell said:
No, they were trying to get people to get off their butts and vote, and they were less successful at this than in 2020.
Harris lost because she did not get the voter turnout that she needed. Gaza is a disaster, but Americans as a whole do not see it as you do.

There are a lot of Jews who give much more attention to Israel (which to their minds can do no wrong) and would have voted for Trump or stayed home had Biden cut off aid to Netanyahu. And of course, there are a lot of very wealthy Jews who fund the Democratic party. I don't see how cutting off aid to Israel wold have benefited the Harris campaign. It could well have lost them votes, not just now, but in the future.
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You provided no proof Americans as a whole don’t see it like I do. I would put it as most Americans though. People who vote Democrat especially. How do you know those Jews who love Israel didn’t vote for Trump on Tuesday night? Democrats had terrible turnout. Worst they’ve ever had it looks like. I promise you that the progressive vote is way more important to the Democrat’s base than wealthy Jews who “fund the party” that might end up voting republican anyways.
 
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Again, turnout was the problem. There is no way to prove that people refused to vote because of Gaza or not.
 
Gabriel_Bell said:
Again, turnout was the problem. There is no way to prove that people refused to vote because of Gaza or not.
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Look at Michigan. That’s proof. The Arab community rejected her and reelected Rashida Tlaib. A state she couldn’t afford to lose that she chose to lose to please the donors. Congratulations on your candidate failing by design.
 
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Of course, when Netanyahu heard that you finally voted for Jill Stein, he immediately stopped killing Palestinians. Who knew that you had that much influence?
 
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