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[HankHill]

WASHINGTON - Buried deep inside the massive spending orgy that Democrats jammed through the House this week lie five words that could drastically undo two decades of welfare reforms.

The very heart of the widely applauded Welfare Reform Act of 1996 is a cap on the amount of federal cash that can be sent to states each year for welfare payments.

But, thanks to the simple phrase slipped into the legislation, the new "stimulus" bill abolishes the limits on the amount of federal money for the so-called Emergency Fund, which ships welfare cash to states.

"Out of any money in the Treasury of the United States not otherwise appropriated, there are appropriated such sums as are necessary for payment to the Emergency Fund," Democrats wrote in Section 2101 on Page 354 of the $819 billion bill. In other words, the only limit on welfare payments would be the Treasury itself.

"This re-establishes the welfare state and creates dependency all over the place," said one startled budget analyst after reading the line.

In addition to reopening the floodgates of dependency on federal welfare programs, the change once again deepens the dependency of state governments on the federal government.

President Obama won on promises of changing the way Washington works.

Gripped by perhaps the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, Americans of every political stripe opted for "change."

Sick of reckless government, sleazy lobbyists, wild spending and deep borrowing that has scuttled America's great economic engine, voters embraced Obama's promise to be "post-partisan" and usher into the government a new era of responsibility and common sense.

But his presidency isn't two weeks old, and already warning flags have gone up.

Obama is wallpapering his administration with lobbyists, installed a tax cheat to run the Treasury Department and is pushing Congress to pass a massive, wildly unaffordable "stimulus" bill loaded with pork and reckless spending that plunges Americans even deeper into debt.

Even worse, the bill every day looks more like 15 years of pent-up big-government liberalism than an economic "stimulus" plan.

Ever since his election, many Americans have wondered which Barack Obama would show up at the White House: the most liberal member of the Senate or the post-partisan bearer of change we could all believe in.

One thing is clear: His "stimulus" bill is not change we can believe in. It's a return to big-government welfare that we will choke on.

- Charles Hurt "New York Post"​

Ain't it the truth... Preach on Brother Hurt! Preach on!​

No, no! Not God Bless Obama... God Damn Obama!​

"If ya got some liberal friends... they be clappin' like this y'all..."​

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Ain't it the truth... Preach on Brother Hurt! Preach on!​

No, no! Not God Bless Obama... God Damn Obama!​

"If ya got some liberal friends... they be clappin' like this y'all..."​

smells like redneck in here...

and yes the states need money so yes the feds may give it to them. the other option is the states raise taxes or cut down projects and spend less...thus the opposite of stimulate the econ.

 

[Andy]

smells like redneck in here...

and yes the states need money so yes the feds may give it to them. the other option is the states raise taxes or cut down projects and spend less...thus the opposite of stimulate the econ.

Er.... WHAT?! LOL! I knew you'd support this. Projects do not help the economy. Where the heck do you get the fruity idea that a government project helps the economy? Let's say the government hands out $1.2 Billion to pay off deficit welfare payments (actual example). How does this stimulate the economy? It doesn't. Moving on.

Raising taxes does hurt it, yes. But the federal government giving money to the states, because they can't figure out how to not over spend, will cause higher taxes, do you not get this?

In this case, the federal government bailing out the state, is WORSE than the the state just raising their own taxes... why? Because now the effect of overspending, will cause taxes on EVERYONE!

But more than that, now the state has no reason whatsoever to be fiscally responsible. "Hey looky there! We can blow billions on crap, and the federal tax payers will give us the cash!"

So now all the states are going to blow tons of cash, the federal government will Bailout-Barack everyone, and we'll all pay billions more in taxes! You think that's going to help the economy? Heck no!

 

[samsara15]

We have had eight years of the welfare state for corporations, and it has nearly destroyed the economy. I doubt Obama can outspend, or out-deficit, GW Bush, who gave us 8 years of Imperial Big Government Presidency, while you boys cheered him on, hands waving in the air. So don't preach to us - we know, because we have seen it in action, that all of your anti-govenment and anti-spending tirades are just so much smoke.

 

[BigRob]

We have had eight years of the welfare state for corporations, and it has nearly destroyed the economy. I doubt Obama can outspend, or out-deficit, GW Bush, who gave us 8 years of Imperial Big Government Presidency, while you boys cheered him on, hands waving in the air. So don't preach to us - we know, because we have seen it in action, that all of your anti-govenment and anti-spending tirades are just so much smoke.

Not sure what you call $800 billion in stimulus, plus $350 billion in TARP funds over the course of 10 days. I would say we are well on pace to set many spending records.

 

[HankHill]

We have had eight years of the welfare state for corporations, and it has nearly destroyed the economy. I doubt Obama can outspend, or out-deficit, GW Bush, who gave us 8 years of Imperial Big Government Presidency, while you boys cheered him on, hands waving in the air. So don't preach to us - we know, because we have seen it in action, that all of your anti-govenment and anti-spending tirades are just so much smoke.

Just watch him outspend ole' Bushy, oh it's change and it's gonna happen, and it's gonna suck!

 

[Popeye]

Ain't it the truth... Preach on Brother Hurt! Preach on!​

No, no! Not God Bless Obama... God Damn Obama!​

"If ya got some liberal friends... they be clappin' like this y'all..."​

Who owns the NY Post again? It couldn't be right wing propagandist Rupert Murdoch now could it?

 

[HankHill]

Who owns the NY Post again? It couldn't be right wing propagandist Rupert Murdoch now could it?

Good ole' Rupert is all demo/lib, just look at Fox news.

 

[samsara15]

And then you will surpass us, with your own Right Wing style of spending, when next you are in office?

 

[BigRob]

And then you will surpass us, with your own Right Wing style of spending, when next you are in office?

This is supposed to be justification for massive spending?

 

[Andy]

We have had eight years of the welfare state for corporations, and it has nearly destroyed the economy. I doubt Obama can outspend, or out-deficit, GW Bush, who gave us 8 years of Imperial Big Government Presidency, while you boys cheered him on, hands waving in the air. So don't preach to us - we know, because we have seen it in action, that all of your anti-govenment and anti-spending tirades are just so much smoke.

What are you talking about? Obama ALREADY is planing to out deficit GWB. Did you miss the latest estimates on his spending increases? He's going to spend $1.8 Trillion just on the stimulus bill and his increases to other government projects. That's more than complete operations costs of the war on terror since 2003 to present, including Iraq and Afghanistan combined, plus construction cost!

See, you start off on your holyer than thou attitude, and your guy is already specifically planning to blow trillions! Hey kettle, you are black too pal.

And as far as you welfare state for corporations... name one? He's a hint, the biggest welfare check right now is coming from the bailout that Obama supported. And no conservative cheered on Bush over that. No one did.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

What are you talking about? Obama ALREADY is planing to out deficit GWB. Did you miss the latest estimates on his spending increases? He's going to spend $1.8 Trillion just on the stimulus bill and his increases to other government projects. That's more than complete operations costs of the war on terror since 2003 to present, including Iraq and Afghanistan combined, plus construction cost!

See, you start off on your holyer than thou attitude, and your guy is already specifically planning to blow trillions! Hey kettle, you are black too pal.

And as far as you welfare state for corporations... name one? He's a hint, the biggest welfare check right now is coming from the bailout that Obama supported. And no conservative cheered on Bush over that. No one did.

yes we should stop spending...to increase spending...cut taxes and the economy will rise...did we not hear that before....you know right before the Bush cut taxes and then we tanked even more?

as a republican I am sure you have some basic understanding of buinsess, so you should know that spending does not always equal debt...you have to spend to make money sometimes. The fact we are spending now to jump start the econ, if works, could actuly bring in far more money then not spending it. Now do I think there is pork and stuff that will not help in the bill? yes, thats why both sides need to keep working on it. But spending does not always = debt...we just need to make sure its smart spending, and smart target tax cuts...becuse cutting taxes does not = less debt as well.

 

[BigRob]

yes we should stop spending...to increase spending...cut taxes and the economy will rise...did we not hear that before....you know right before the Bush cut taxes and then we tanked even more?

The Congressional Budget Office shows growth periods immediately following both rounds of Bush tax cuts. The banking failure was what caused the collapse... not tax cuts.

What the CBO also shows is an increase in revenue in the quarters following the Bush tax cuts...

 

[Bunz]

Er.... WHAT?! LOL! I knew you'd support this. Projects do not help the economy. Where the heck do you get the fruity idea that a government project helps the economy? Let's say the government hands out $1.2 Billion to pay off deficit welfare payments (actual example). How does this stimulate the economy? It doesn't.

But yes it does, because that 1.2b is being spent at retailers nationwide. Including plenty of retailers that are otherwise are hurting.

Raising taxes does hurt it, yes. But the federal government giving money to the states, because they can't figure out how to not over spend, will cause higher taxes, do you not get this?

Great, then lets have a state of the union go bankrupt, then see what happens.

But more than that, now the state has no reason whatsoever to be fiscally responsible. "Hey looky there! We can blow billions on crap, and the federal tax payers will give us the cash!"

What do you propose otherwise?

So now all the states are going to blow tons of cash, the federal government will Bailout-Barack everyone, and we'll all pay billions more in taxes! You think that's going to help the economy? Heck no!

Yeah there is something horrible about building infrastructure in places where it is needed, then it creates jobs, and those roads and bridges make it possible for commerce to move easier. What breaks the economy is the big wigs taking mega bonuses when the average person is under employed or worse. You nor I have lived through a depression that has seen shanti towns on the highway, but without some help, that is a real possibility.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Obama is wallpapering his administration with lobbyists, installed a tax cheat to run the Treasury Department and is pushing Congress to pass a massive, wildly unaffordable "stimulus" bill loaded with pork and reckless spending that plunges Americans even deeper into debt.

Even worse, the bill every day looks more like 15 years of pent-up big-government liberalism than an economic "stimulus" plan.

One thing is clear: His "stimulus" bill is not change we can believe in. It's a return to big-government welfare that we will choke on.

- Charles Hurt "New York Post"

Ain't it the truth... Preach on Brother Hurt! Preach on!​

No, no! Not God Bless Obama... God Damn Obama!​

"If ya got some liberal friends... they be clappin' like this y'all..."​

Awwww, jeez.....The New York Post....The National Enquirer's little-sister.

We've heard all these predictions, before.

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"The deficit four years from today will be higher than it is today, not lower." — Sen. Phil Gramm (Republican, Texas; McCain economic-advisor)