Andy
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On Roll Call TV, environmental nut Joe Romm of "Climate Progress" debates matters of global warming and policy with Marc Morano, a former republican.
On the video Joe Romm get's smacked around a dozen times on different issues related to the topic. So bad was the shalacking, he never once actually contested the evidence, but nevertheless claimed almost a dozen times or more, that Morano was "making up stuff".
http://www.rollcall.com/multimedia/tv/33727-1.html <-part one
http://www.rollcall.com/multimedia/tv/33726-1.html <-part two
One specific claim made by Romm though, was that there are more green wind power jobs, than there are coal mining jobs. Citing a report printed in the Huffington Post, a bastion of neutral reporting, that there are 85K jobs in wind power, but only 81K in coal.
Interestingly, the wind power jobs number comes from including people who manufacture the wind turbine parts, the sales and marketing teams, the legal teams to gain property rights, the construction and installation of turbines.
While the coal mine jobs, includes... coal miners. And no one else. Shouldn't the transportation of coal jobs be included? Shouldn't the construction workers for the coal power plant be included? Shouldn't the legal and marketing teams be included? What about the people who manufacture the mining equipment?
Amusingly, source watch, indicates there are over 174K full time permanent jobs in the coal industry.
Further, a 1995 fact book published by the Department of Energy cites 1994 study conducted for the National Coal Association, which said that the coal industry's workforce, which at the time was said to be 136,000, was indirectly responsible for another 1.4 million jobs.
Want to guess those numbers are larger than in 1994?
However, even if the original number were accurate, and they are not, that 85K jobs produces less than 1% of America's electrical usage, while the 81K coal mining jobs, produce nearly half. So it takes 85K jobs to make about 1% of the power that coal produces? Brilliant!
So who was making up stuff again?
Despite having his head handed to him on a platter, Joe Romm was not to be out done. After being mentally crushed under Morano's evidence and logic, Joe Romm went back to Climate Progress and promptly banned Morano from using the Climate Progress's web site forums, and then claimed that he had been proven right by all reviewers of the debate. Hilarious sore loser.
On the video Joe Romm get's smacked around a dozen times on different issues related to the topic. So bad was the shalacking, he never once actually contested the evidence, but nevertheless claimed almost a dozen times or more, that Morano was "making up stuff".
http://www.rollcall.com/multimedia/tv/33727-1.html <-part one
http://www.rollcall.com/multimedia/tv/33726-1.html <-part two
One specific claim made by Romm though, was that there are more green wind power jobs, than there are coal mining jobs. Citing a report printed in the Huffington Post, a bastion of neutral reporting, that there are 85K jobs in wind power, but only 81K in coal.
Interestingly, the wind power jobs number comes from including people who manufacture the wind turbine parts, the sales and marketing teams, the legal teams to gain property rights, the construction and installation of turbines.
While the coal mine jobs, includes... coal miners. And no one else. Shouldn't the transportation of coal jobs be included? Shouldn't the construction workers for the coal power plant be included? Shouldn't the legal and marketing teams be included? What about the people who manufacture the mining equipment?
Amusingly, source watch, indicates there are over 174K full time permanent jobs in the coal industry.
Further, a 1995 fact book published by the Department of Energy cites 1994 study conducted for the National Coal Association, which said that the coal industry's workforce, which at the time was said to be 136,000, was indirectly responsible for another 1.4 million jobs.
Want to guess those numbers are larger than in 1994?
However, even if the original number were accurate, and they are not, that 85K jobs produces less than 1% of America's electrical usage, while the 81K coal mining jobs, produce nearly half. So it takes 85K jobs to make about 1% of the power that coal produces? Brilliant!
So who was making up stuff again?
Despite having his head handed to him on a platter, Joe Romm was not to be out done. After being mentally crushed under Morano's evidence and logic, Joe Romm went back to Climate Progress and promptly banned Morano from using the Climate Progress's web site forums, and then claimed that he had been proven right by all reviewers of the debate. Hilarious sore loser.
