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Do you realize their are NO SERIOUS ARGUMENTS against gitmo offered here - not a single one, and few elsewhere? If there were ANY libs here capable of debating the issue, even a single ONE, I would be happy to debate the whole issue including such aspects. But this place is loaded with people like dawkins and shaman and piffle and popeye who only regurgitate the stupidest level demogogy on the issue - I could argue THEIR side of the issue about ten times better than THEY can. As I said before, this place suffers from a lack of intelligent libs who will actually debate the issues. If any lib capable of engaging in REAL debate on the issue wants to argue the issue, I'm ready.