Biden doesn't know what the VP does!!!

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PALIN PUNKED BIDEN BUT THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO MENTION IT!

Did Biden Get It Wrong? You Betcha
Monday, October 06, 2008

By John R. Lott, Jr.

When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.

The media is all over itself about how smart and experienced Biden is. Political analyst Charlie Cook is quoted in the Washington Post on Saturday as saying “Biden is clearly so much more knowledgeable, by a factor of about a million.” Saturday Night Live does a skit about Biden being smart, if slimy. Meanwhile, Governor Sarah Palin is treated as being nothing more than a simpleton.

Yet, take Biden’s statement from the debate on the role of the vice president:

Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.


One should be careful when throwing around terms such as “most dangerous” and “bizarre.” But Biden is confusing which part of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch (it is Article II, not Article I). More importantly, the notion that the vice president can preside over the Senate only when there is a tie vote is simply wrong. Nor is it true that the only legislative involvement the vice president has is to break tie votes. The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 senators.

Early vice presidents spent a lot of time in the Senate. Thomas Jefferson even spent his time writing “A Manual of Parliamentary Practice: for the Use of the Senate of the United States.” Modern vice presidents may show up only when they think tie votes will occur, but that is their choice.

This isn’t rocket science. The Constitution on this point is very straightforward: “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”

Instead, it was Palin who got it right. Besides correctly stating that the vice president holds positions in both the executive and legislative branches, she also noted that:

Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that's not only to preside over the Senate and will take that position very seriously also. I'm thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president's policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are.

But just as the vice president’s job includes more than simply being ready to assume the presidency if the president dies, the Constitution merely states what the vice president’s minimum responsibilities are.

Compare the uproar over Palin’s answer to Charlie Gibson about the “Bush Doctrine,” a doctrine that Gibson clearly didn’t understand and for which there apparently exist at least four different versions. Where is the outrage over Biden not understanding what vice presidents do? For Biden, his inability to correctly say what vice presidents do was surely his “gotcha” moment.

Yet, this mistake during the debate was hardly unique. Biden got a lot of things wrong in the debate that are going unnoticed by the fact-check media. Take just a few:

-- Will McCain's health care proposals raise taxes? Biden says that McCain’s proposal will cost people money. The Tax Foundation finds that could easily be "roughly deficit-neutral over ten years."

-- Under an Obama Administration the middle class will "pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan"? No, the tax rates will be similar to the higher rates under Clinton.

-- Did "we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country"? No, one year’s worth of spending in Iraq equaled five in Afghanistan.

-- France and the U.S. "kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon"? No, and it wouldn't have made much more sense if he had said "Syria" instead.

-- Is it really “simply not true” that Obama said that he would meet with the leader of countries such as Iran without preconditions? No, Obama said “I would.”

-- Did Obama warn against letting Hamas participate in Palestinian legislative elections in 2005? No.

-- Do “Iraqis have an $80 billion surplus”? No. If oil prices had remained high, it might have reached $50 billion by the end of this year.

-- Finally, an amusing point as evidence that Biden is just one of the people he pointed to, inviting anyone to have a beer with him at "Katie's Restaurant" in Wilmington, Del. Unfortunately, people will have a hard time taking him up on his offer, since the restaurant hasn't had that name for probably 15 years.

Unfortunately, voters who are trying to get an accurate count on whether the candidates are telling the truth can’t rely on the media. FactCheck.org mentions only one of these points, the size of the Iraqi surplus. The Washington Post mentioned Biden’s misstatement on Hamas and Katie’s restaurant. AOL’s coverage of the errors in the vice presidential debate was by far the worst, though that might not be too surprising given that Tommy Christopher, who wrote their news analysis, also blogs on the Obama Web site. None of these checkers mentioned Biden's statements about the role of the vice president.

Compare this to the attacks on Sarah Palin:

-- FactCheck.org criticizes Palin for claiming that McCain’s health care tax credits will be "budget neutral" – they argue that the tax credit will be larger than the new taxes that the program will impose. Fine, but if the people at FactCheck.org believe that is true and that the Tax Foundation is wrong, Biden’s claim about increased taxes is even more inaccurate. But FactCheck.org doesn't even mention Biden’s statement from the debate.

-- From AOL's news analysis piece. “Palin: Said that it is untrue that the U.S. is killing civilians in Afghanistan. According to an analysis by the AP, however, the U.S. is killing more civilians than insurgents are.”

What Palin actually said was: “Now, Barack Obama had said that all we're doing in Afghanistan is air-raiding villages and killing civilians.” Whether one believes the AP estimate or not, the question is whether she was accurately characterizing Obama’s statement of the job that our forces were doing. And Obama said, “We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” (emphasis added).

-- FactCheck.org’s first critique claims that Palin was wrong to claim that troop levels in Iraq are down to their pre-surge levels. They are correct that after the recently announced drawdown, 6,000 more troops will be in Iraq than immediately before the surge. But why not mention that 84 percent of the 38,000 troops in the surge are home or are in the process of coming home?

The media seems to have been covering for Biden for some time. While news stories still talk about Dan Quayle’s spelling mistake 18 years later, there has been almost no news coverage of Biden’s numerous wacky statements. What if Quayle had said something similar to Biden’s recent statement that, "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'" A neat trick given that Herbert Hoover was president in 1929 and no one was watching television.

It might not fit the simple template for a 36-year veteran of the Senate to not understand what vice presidents do (after all, eight vice presidents have served with him), but Biden knew less about this than the political outsider, Sarah Palin. Given that they are running to be vice president, why didn’t that story dominate the news coverage after the debate?
 
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The only thing you got right was that Senator Biden cited Article 1 and not Article 2.

Your argument goes to fallacy that the Vice President isn't a full member of the executive branch which he is. This was quite simply just something cooked up by Cheney to try an shield his documents from public scrutiny.

The interpreting of the rules is not same as passing legislation. Interpreting the rules is merely a procedural matter. From a legislative standpoint (actual voting rights) the VP is only there to break ties.

To in any reasonable persons dreams imagine that Sarah Palin... Sara Palin actual has one 10th the knowledge of or Federal level is preposterous. She's was a short time mayor of a town about one 10th the size of any halfway major city and a 20 month Governor of a state with the half the population of the county I live in.

To say she's completely unqualified would be an understatement. To say she's a good joke would be the truth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye7pV921NSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTcyO7bUD2U
 
The only thing you got right was that Senator Biden cited Article 1 and not Article 2.

Your argument goes to fallacy that the Vice President isn't a full member of the executive branch which he is. This was quite simply just something cooked up by Cheney to try an shield his documents from public scrutiny.

I would strongly suggest you do some basic research before you start prattling on about things you know nothing about. Aside from the fact that the Constitution CLEARLY states that the Vice President is the President of the Senate (which makes him a part of the LEGISLATIVE Branch), the Vice Presidents pay check is cut from the LEGISLATIVE budget, not the Executive, which means that the government itself recognizes the fact that the Vice President is in fact a member of the LEGISLATIVE branch and NOT the Executive.

It would seem that you're far more ignorant in Civics than Biden is.

The interpreting of the rules is not same as passing legislation. Interpreting the rules is merely a procedural matter. From a legislative standpoint (actual voting rights) the VP is only there to break ties.

And next I suppose you're going to say that a Supreme Court ruling on what the Constitution says is merely a "procedural matter".:rolleyes:

To in any reasonable persons dreams imagine that Sarah Palin... Sara Palin actual has one 10th the knowledge of or Federal level is preposterous. She's was a short time mayor of a town about one 10th the size of any halfway major city and a 20 month Governor of a state with the half the population of the county I live in.

To say she's completely unqualified would be an understatement. To say she's a good joke would be the truth.

The only "joke" is your boy Obama, who doesn't even have as much experience as Palin does. :eek:
 
I would strongly suggest you do some basic research before you start prattling on about things you know nothing about. Aside from the fact that the Constitution CLEARLY states that the Vice President is the President of the Senate (which makes him a part of the LEGISLATIVE Branch), the Vice Presidents pay check is cut from the LEGISLATIVE budget, not the Executive, which means that the government itself recognizes the fact that the Vice President is in fact a member of the LEGISLATIVE branch and NOT the Executive.

It would seem that you're far more ignorant in Civics than Biden is.



And next I suppose you're going to say that a Supreme Court ruling on what the Constitution says is merely a "procedural matter".:rolleyes:

The Vice President is elected with the President into the Executive Branch not the Legislative. The Vice President does have the additional side responsibility of being President of the Senate of which we've already discussed his very limited responsibility of breaking ties when and if they come up.

I believe we saw the courts order that all of Cheney's papers and correspondence had to be kept and I'm confident that they will be forced to be released as any papers in the Executive Branch are.



The only "joke" is your boy Obama, who doesn't even have as much experience as Palin does. :eek:

Well my friend that dog ain't hunting wth the American people!

Just out...

CBS NEWS POLL 10/14/08

OBAMA 53%

McCain a miniscule 39%
 
The Vice President is elected with the President into the Executive Branch not the Legislative. The Vice President does have the additional side responsibility of being President of the Senate of which we've already discussed his very limited responsibility of breaking ties when and if they come up.

And you still insist on showing your glaring ignorance of the American system. Are you sure you're not Korean? The Presidential candidate of each party SELECTS their Vice President, but the Vice President is NOT "elected", the President IS, and you get the Vice President like the prize in a box of Cracker Jack.

I've place my vote, informing my representatives in the Electoral College which PRESIDENT I wanted to have elected, but I've NEVER cast a ballot for the Vice President.

I believe we saw the courts order that all of Cheney's papers and correspondence had to be kept and I'm confident that they will be forced to be released as any papers in the Executive Branch are.

You also appear to be equally ignorant of how the Presidential Records Act works. ALL records are automatically sealed for 5 years, and can be sealed, at the request of the President or the Vice President for an additional 7 years, which means that, at a minimum, it'll be 2021 before anybody sees anything of those records. Even after that, any documents dealing with National Security can be sealed for an additional 50 or 75 years at the discretion of the government.

As to the courts activities, it's an injunction by a District Court Judge, in a civil proceeding, and that BS can be trumped with the stroke of a pen by the President (which I'm hoping he does, just to jam a stick in the eye of vindictive little jerks like you).
 
Mr. Carpenter;66993]And you still insist on showing your glaring ignorance of the American system. Are you sure you're not Korean? The Presidential candidate of each party SELECTS their Vice President, but the Vice President is NOT "elected", the President IS, and you get the Vice President like the prize in a box of Cracker Jack.

I've place my vote, informing my representatives in the Electoral College which PRESIDENT I wanted to have elected, but I've NEVER cast a ballot for the Vice President.

Your Cracker Jack knowledge is amusing. :D


You also appear to be equally ignorant of how the Presidential Records Act works. ALL records are automatically sealed for 5 years, and can be sealed, at the request of the President or the Vice President for an additional 7 years, which means that, at a minimum, it'll be 2021 before anybody sees anything of those records. Even after that, any documents dealing with National Security can be sealed for an additional 50 or 75 years at the discretion of the government.

Well that's not what Cheney and you are saying. You're saying the VP records fall under no such Act because the VP is in the legislature. Come on now... make up your mind.:D

As to the courts activities, it's an injunction by a District Court Judge, in a civil proceeding, and that BS can be trumped with the stroke of a pen by the President (which I'm hoping he does, just to jam a stick in the eye of vindictive little jerks like you).

Why would President Obama do that?:D
 
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Your Cracker Jack knowledge is amusing. :D

It would be nice if you had THAT much.

Well that's not what Cheney and you are saying. You're saying the VP records fall under no such Act because the VP is in the legislature. Come on now... make up your mind.:D

Just becuase you're entirely too dense to follow along doesn't mean that I don't know what I'm talking about. The VP's records, that are DIRECTLY RELATED to his duties as they relate to the Executive Branch, as in cases where the VP makes a visit to a foreign country on behalf of the President, ARE part of those records, it's the rest of them, meaning the vast MAJORITY of them that are NOT covered by the Act.

Why would President Obama do that?:D

The monkey boy isn't President, GHW Bush is, and it's HIS signature I'm waiting for.
 
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