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No need to apoligize. I probably shouldn't be so hard on you. And I shouldn't allow the debate on one thread to spill over on to another. Just because you feel free to challenge me on other threads doesn't give me the right to target you. However, if you want to talk history with me, be ready. The history of western civilization is sort of like a hobby with me. War is always the most prominent feature in anyone's history. I usually don't read most of the pop culture, revisionist historian distillations of other people's writing's. For people like you that have a real interest in history I think you should start with the classics. Read the stuff that modern authors refer to. Read the translations of Caesar, Xenophon, Livy, Tacitus, Suetonius, Clausewitz, and others. You will be firmly based and well enough versed to hold discourse with almost anyone about western history.