Of course I've heard this before. But actions taken for justice are outside of this. Otherwise, all actions in justice are morally wrong. It's morally wrong to hold people captive, either by kidnapping or enslaving... so it's also morally wrong to hold them captive in prison. It's morally wrong to steal, so it's also morally wrong to fine or confiscate property.
Think about it, everything done in the administration of justice, from taking money from your check in the form of a speeding ticket, all the way to imprisonment, is morally wrong external to justice.
The logical end to that line of thinking is no punishment to anyone for any crime ever. So there must be something wrong with that line of thinking, yes?
I suggest that being the transgressor and being the victim, are mutually exclusive as it relates to a single issue. You can be the transgressor of a crime, and be the victim of a completely unrelated matter.
But as it relates to a single event, you can never be a victim of something brought on only by my own transgressions. If I speed 100 in a 35 school zone, and lose my license, am I a victim? Should I sue the government for victimizing me?
I knew a woman that was beaten by her husband. She eventually got rid of him after she found out he beat his last girl friend. He got another girl friend after the divorce, and was beating her. On a night, he went to her house and found her with a gun. After he started to pursue her violently, she shot him. The theory above, if I am reading it correctly would say in order to remain innocent, she should willingly continue to be beaten. Surely that theory can not be correct. Is she innocent?
Beyond a reasonable doubt. No there is no perfect system. We either give up on justice and embrace anarchy, or do the best we can with what we have. Nothing is perfect this side of heaven as they say.
I would support this. There is no point in talking about violations of law from those already illegal as it relates to deportation. The only purpose in talking about it is from the stand point of where do we put our effort. Ultimately all illegals are violating law and should be deported. But since we have limited resources to do this, it's important to focus on the most obvious and easy to deal with illegals, namely those in prison for breaking other laws.
Sounds to me like more rewards for breaking laws. So they break our laws and we help them with education and jobs? Then just have an open boarder and give everyone citizenship. That would be far cheaper than making schools and businesses down there so they don't even have to make the effort to cross the boarder to get it.
How about personal responsibility? They are responsible for their life, and we ours. If they want education, they should work toward that end in their country, not come to ours, break our laws, so we have to help them.
Well I guess my point was, even if the boarder was 'secure' there would still be a large enough mass of illegals making it in. Historical examples would be Soviet Bloc, The Berlin wall, even the underground railroad that allowed slaves into the northern states. I was privilege to meet a little asian woman, now in her late 40s, who escaped from Laos after the Communist got control. She detailed running through the woods with her sister under her arm, cutting through a fence just as the military started shooting.
Point being, that no boarder security is going to be enough to stop people, if the reward is there. Take the reward away for doing it the wrong way, is the only solution in my humble opinion.
