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you knew it had to happen: Climategate 2.0

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  1. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    from the folks who gave you Climategate 1.0

    just in time for the two year anniversary AND the upcoming IPCC confab

    a few tidbits to chew on from the first 5000 emails to be trickled out from the cache of 220k !

    it gets better and better !

    (bolds from the article, not me)
     
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    Is there a link to the entire text from which these quotes are selected?
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    the site listed in the link is where they were downloaded to (as last time).
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    zip can be downloaded here at your own risk of course.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    Just say you like money more then the earth and clean air and stop trying to pretend its anything other then that.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    I know its difficult to have been blinded with "science".
     
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    In other words, you have not actually looked at these quotes in context and therefore cannot actually formulate a reasonable interpretation of what is being said.

    Well, when you have the real text in a format that we can look at together, let me know. Thank you.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    the snips were excellent examples of where context does not matter.

    you have all you need to read the 5000k documents.
     
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    There is no way of knowing that without looking at the context.

    Take the first quote:

    "Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary"

    Let's say the context was this:

    Some climate deniers claim that "observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous." Now, concerning the recent budget issues and how it will affect layoffs, "we need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary".

    Then it says almost the exact opposite.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    'climate denier claims' does not equal 'wealth of studies'unless you need it to.

    You could attempt to spin the meaning of "the cause" but thats a minor point relative to the science based ones.
     
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    I have no idea how your post addresses the issue of context, which is what I am discussing.
     
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    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

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    the snip you mention discusses where a single study is selected to support this aspect of the larger perspective when there are a number of other studies signalling the opposite. skeptic claims are not studies.

    you are attempting to craft a scenario that contradicts the information in the snip.
     
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    That is what it seems to say, without any context.

    Not quite. I am attempting to craft a scenario that contradicts the way you interpreted the snip. I am doing it by providing context. This is to show you that the context can change the meaning of the snip.
     
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    If the government is giving money away people will take it. Why do you think pols keep their death grip on this nonsense ? Lots of pockets to line with silver.
     
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