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Why Gloomy Pundits and Politicians Are Wrong About America's Education System

Discussion in 'Education Policies' started by PLC1, Jan 23, 2013.

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  1. PLC1 Super Moderator

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    There is likewise a huge amount of research that has been published showing the opposite.

    Since you're so well informed on the subject, what would be your plan to reform public education in this country?
    PLC1, Jan 26, 2013
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    do you believe there sre ANY conservative voices on the DC school board ? they had one get in who did good so she was run out town on a rail.

    its not really helpful to look at dc atlanta detroit etc and paint all other school boards with that same.brush.
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    I don't think there are many conservative voices on any school board nationwide. And as I stated above, it does not really matter. The Feds dictate what and how it is done and the school board dutifully follows orders. Public education nationwide is centralized in DC.

    Do you think a conservative person on a school board, in a middle class district, can really impact what is taught and how it is taught in the schools?
    Gipper, Jan 27, 2013
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    dont have to believe it i know it for a fact. right here in my county. the public is very active here. makes a big difgerence
    dogtowner, Jan 27, 2013
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    Here is something that may surprise you from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States#Funding_for_K.E2.80.9312_schools

    One of the biggest debates in funding public schools is funding by local taxes or state taxes. The federal government supplies around 8.5% of the public school system funds, according to a 2005 report by the National Center for Education Statistics. The remaining split between state and local governments averages 48.7 percent from states and 42.8 percent from local sources. However, the division varies widely. In Hawaii local funds make up 1.7 percent, while state sources account for nearly 90.1 percent.[107]

    Only recently has the federal government been involve with education. The Constitution makes no mention that the US government has the responsibility for Public Education - that's why we have local School Boards.

    I have the feeling a more accurate understanding of the quality of our Public Education if you look State-by-State.
    Hobo1, Jan 27, 2013
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    I am glad to hear that, however my experience is just the opposite. I fear most of the nations schools have few conservatives in any position or at least ones that are outspoken and trying to change the culture of failure.

    I suspect the p-schools are much like Hollywood, the MSM, academia, etc....where conservatives are silent for fear of being "black listed." History tells us whenever liberals get control of any organization or institution, they do all they can to eliminate diversity of opinions, especially conservative ones.
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    Why don't you run for the local school board and become the conservative voice locally?
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    or organize community involvement
    dogtowner, Jan 27, 2013
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    I have done some of that of over the years. My strong conservative/libertarian views are not well accepted by many people....surprise...surprise..... Hell I got fired by one of the nations largest insurance firms because the two guys I reported to disliked my political views...and I was leading the region in production and had done so many times over the 12 years I worked there. They were both outspoken liberals. So as I say, it has been my experience that libs HATE people like me and will do whatever they can including lie, cheat, and steal to hurt people like me.

    A leftist hates conservatives more than terrorists, murderers, and rapists.
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    The Great Thomas Sowell knows about the indoctrination of the kiddies in the government run schools. Do you really think a school board member can stop this shit?

    You were an educator who likely contributed to the indoctrination and may not have even known it.

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    I've never heard of Howard Zinn or his book.

    Which state is using it as a history text?
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    And you are an educator......:confused:o_O
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  13. PLC1 Super Moderator

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    Correct, and you are not.

    Which state is using the history text cited in your opinion piece? This one is not.

    Opinions unsupported by facts are worthless. That is one of the concepts covered in what the bureaucracy chooses to call "critical thinking skills".

    Once once acquires some of those skills, indoctrination becomes more difficult. Perhaps that is why the dittoheads hate public education. What do you think?
    PLC1, Jan 28, 2013
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    looks like more of a college tome as opposed to k-12. maybe some private hs. but as an alternate view jud
    st doesnt fit the mold.
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    Here are the standards adopted by the admittedly liberal state of California for K - 12 education. Looking at history/social science, I don't see any mention of Zinn or his book. I've never used it, hadn't even heard of it.

    Why don't you take a look at those standards, which constitute the curriculum taught in this liberal state of California and point out what you view as "liberal indoctrination."
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    doesnt show.in the college text exchanges i looked at and amazon was the.only vendor i saw. not typical.
    need some real numbers as.
    dogtowner, Jan 29, 2013
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    It is not a college text book. It is used in the high schools.
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    Oh crap, it's worse than I thought. That link goes to "Common Core Standards". This is a Chicago brainchild, probably by Obummer's terrorist buddy Bill Ayers.

    Terrorist Professor Bill Ayers and Obama’s Federal School Curriculum

    Michelle Malkin: Readin’, Writin’ and Deconstructionism Rotten to Common Core
    Cruella, Jan 29, 2013
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    Good catch...Common Core is an effort by the Feds under BO to impose upon ALL the nations schools K-12, the feds curriculum. So much for the school boards controlling the schools.

    Imagine America with a Bill Ayers developed k-12 curriculum.

    Leftism can only survive if the populace is unable to think and reason. They have succeeded.
    Gipper, Jan 29, 2013
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