Who are Mitt Romney's 47 percent? A breakdown

[Openmind]

you're welcome, can't have you living in ignorance.

Have no fear. . .you are just projecting!

 

[dogtowner]

Have no fear. . .you are just projecting!

I like to project education, yes.

 

[Openmind]

I like to project education, yes.

Then you might want to get educated first?

 

[Centrehalf]

I really was just interested in a yes or no answer but if you want to play games just call me Milton Bradley.
　

but really, this is a moot point for me, as I think all guns are made to kill

A moot point? Really? I didn't think this was pointless to bring up, probably because of this:

Amendments are the way to do it. . .but also clarification of the words of the Constitution that allows to bring vocabulary used then to today's true meaning. . .for exemple "right to bare arms" seemed pretty simple then. . . but today "arms" can be anything from knives and hand guns to grenades, bombs, and nuclear weapons.

or maybe this:

I do believe that the type of weapons that are today sold to individuals go far beyond the intent of the law.

　
You brought up the 2nd Amendment, not me. You went so far as to imply that original intent has been bastardized, not me. All I did was ask for some simple clarification and I didn't think that someone who accuses others of not being able to properly frame an argumentative position as often as you do would have a problem with answering. Either you don't know what "moot" means or you're trying to have it both ways; make statements about how the intent of the 2nd has been turned on it's head and then later claim it's pointless to talk about. Who do you think you are, John McCain? You may call yourself Openmind but to me from now on you'll always be BelgianWaffle.
　
One last thing to say. A couple of forumites have congratulated you on your citizenship, I'm not going to. I think your take on American citizenship was extremely insulting.
　
According to you you've spent most of your life in America. was that enough to prompt you to become a citizen? No.
Your family is here, was that reason to gain citizenship? No.
Your income was either earned here or parked here. was that enough? No.
Your reason for becoming a citizen:

The ONLY thing I couldn't do was vote. . .and I find it important to vote for President Obama.

　
So, taking part in the American tradition of voting in a general sense has meant nothing to you for what....at least 30 years? Only Obama prompted you to do it. As if that weren't insulting enough we have this little gem from you:

I didn't have that silly piece of paper making me "officially" an US Citizen.

　
"Silly piece of paper". Well Done, Bravo! Way to show how important it is to you. Fantastic job.
　

I don't think you want to get me involved in a debate about the 2nd amendment!

Antime, Anywhere.

 

[Pandora]

I really was just interested in a yes or no answer but if you want to play games just call me Milton Bradley.
　

A moot point? Really? I didn't think this was pointless to bring up, probably because of this:

or maybe this:

　
You brought up the 2nd Amendment, not me. You went so far as to imply that original intent has been bastardized, not me. All I did was ask for some simple clarification and I didn't think that someone who accuses others of not being able to properly frame an argumentative position as often as you do would have a problem with answering. Either you don't know what "moot" means or you're trying to have it both ways; make statements about how the intent of the 2nd has been turned on it's head and then later claim it's pointless to talk about. Who do you think you are, John McCain? You may call yourself Openmind but to me from now on you'll always be BelgianWaffle.
　
One last thing to say. A couple of forumites have congratulated you on your citizenship, I'm not going to. I think your take on American citizenship was extremely insulting.
　
According to you you've spent most of your life in America. was that enough to prompt you to become a citizen? No.
Your family is here, was that reason to gain citizenship? No.
Your income was either earned here or parked here. was that enough? No.
Your reason for becoming a citizen:

　
So, taking part in the American tradition of voting in a general sense has meant nothing to you for what....at least 30 years? Only Obama prompted you to do it. As if that weren't insulting enough we have this little gem from you:

　
"Silly piece of paper". Well Done, Bravo! Way to show how important it is to you. Fantastic job.
　

Antime, Anywhere.

I enjoyed reading that post and I agreed with every word of it Glad you are here!

 

[Openmind]

I really was just interested in a yes or no answer but if you want to play games just call me Milton Bradley.
　

A moot point? Really? I didn't think this was pointless to bring up, probably because of this:

or maybe this:

　
You brought up the 2nd Amendment, not me. You went so far as to imply that original intent has been bastardized, not me. All I did was ask for some simple clarification and I didn't think that someone who accuses others of not being able to properly frame an argumentative position as often as you do would have a problem with answering. Either you don't know what "moot" means or you're trying to have it both ways; make statements about how the intent of the 2nd has been turned on it's head and then later claim it's pointless to talk about. Who do you think you are, John McCain? You may call yourself Openmind but to me from now on you'll always be BelgianWaffle.
　
One last thing to say. A couple of forumites have congratulated you on your citizenship, I'm not going to. I think your take on American citizenship was extremely insulting.
　
According to you you've spent most of your life in America. was that enough to prompt you to become a citizen? No.
Your family is here, was that reason to gain citizenship? No.
Your income was either earned here or parked here. was that enough? No.
Your reason for becoming a citizen:

　
So, taking part in the American tradition of voting in a general sense has meant nothing to you for what....at least 30 years? Only Obama prompted you to do it. As if that weren't insulting enough we have this little gem from you:

　
"Silly piece of paper". Well Done, Bravo! Way to show how important it is to you. Fantastic job.
　

Antime, Anywhere.

I became a citizen by choice. . .how did you become a citizen? Was it your choice or was it an incident of birth?
It takes paperwork to become a "legal" citizen. . . it takes A LOT MORE to BE a citizen, and I have belonged in the US for maybe longer than you have been alive, and I have acted as a citizen and given birth to a citizen, and work in the service of society and American Citizens by choice.

If you believe that it is the paperwork that makes anyone a TRUE citizen, you probably also believe that wrapping yourself in a flag, or wearing a flag on your lapel, or holding your hand on your heart are the absolute definition of patriotism and the true demonstration of whether or not you love your country.

I don't believe that. I believe it is not the paperwork that made me a true citizen, but it is my life in this country, my actions and my desire to do the best within my abilities for the country that had become my home. I GREW into my citizenship, and I didn't just come here to becomea citizen on paper, but within my heart. This happened a long time ago. It probably started when I gave birth to my little boy and I felt pride in being the mother of a natural born citizen. Then it grew some more when I went to the University of California as a re-entry student and learned more about the history and the civics of America. I knew I was an American when I watched my son become a Marine and I was bursting with pride. I didn't need a piece of paper to confirm that I was an American. . .other people did. . .but ONLY to allow me to vote. . .for the rest, EVERYONE was perfectly happy with my being a resident alien and carrying a green card. . . . since my husband was a citizen. In fact, are you aware that in

I didn't care about more paperwork until I became more involved into the political process, until I found one politicien who inspired me, Barrack Obama. I promised myself to jump through the hoops to get that paper that the rest of the world needed in order to accept me OFFICIALLY as a Citizen. And I did, at the age of 62. You and your friends, who love to wrap yourself in the flag, seem to have an issue with that. . .tough! The LAW doesn't. . . the CONSTITUTION doesn't, and those I served before and after becoming an "official" citizen of the United States do not. . . . they have always known me to be an American. And as such, I have participated in votes that affected my direct community (school board meetings, HOA meetings, City counsel meetings, etc. . .). By the way, do you realize that the right to vote was NOT limited to documented Citizens for over a century after the Constitution was written? Apparently our forefather didn't think it took a piece of paper to be a true American either!

Most Americans are unaware that non-citizen voting was widespread in the United States for the first 150 years of its history. From 1776 until 1926, 22 states and federal territories allowed non-citizens to vote in local, state, and even federal elections but gradually repealed this right. The US Constitution gives states and municipalities the right to decide who is eligible to vote.
http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=265

And I still do not need a flag to wrap myself in, or a pin on my lapel to KNOW where I belong and why.

Yes, knowledge of guns is a moot point for me, as I will never have the use for one, as I would rather die than kill.
If I could change the law, if there was ANY way I could impact the gun laws, I would then be ready to learn about guns. But, as I stated before, I do respect the law, even laws that I disagree with, so I accept that others value their guns as a Constitutional right. I have the right not to take up that right, not to get involved with guns, and not to engage in worthless discussions about a tool that I see as a killing machine. I gave you my opinion about guns, I do not care whether it is a M-16 or any other form of a killing machine.

For the rest, I really do not care what you think of me, of my political beliefs, and I have no intention of allowing your "idea" of patriotism and citizenship affect me in anyway. I guess we could say that, once again on this subject, your opinion is a moot point.

 

[Gipper]

I really was just interested in a yes or no answer but if you want to play games just call me Milton Bradley.
　

A moot point? Really? I didn't think this was pointless to bring up, probably because of this:

or maybe this:

　
You brought up the 2nd Amendment, not me. You went so far as to imply that original intent has been bastardized, not me. All I did was ask for some simple clarification and I didn't think that someone who accuses others of not being able to properly frame an argumentative position as often as you do would have a problem with answering. Either you don't know what "moot" means or you're trying to have it both ways; make statements about how the intent of the 2nd has been turned on it's head and then later claim it's pointless to talk about. Who do you think you are, John McCain? You may call yourself Openmind but to me from now on you'll always be BelgianWaffle.
　
One last thing to say. A couple of forumites have congratulated you on your citizenship, I'm not going to. I think your take on American citizenship was extremely insulting.
　
According to you you've spent most of your life in America. was that enough to prompt you to become a citizen? No.
Your family is here, was that reason to gain citizenship? No.
Your income was either earned here or parked here. was that enough? No.
Your reason for becoming a citizen:

　
So, taking part in the American tradition of voting in a general sense has meant nothing to you for what....at least 30 years? Only Obama prompted you to do it. As if that weren't insulting enough we have this little gem from you:

　
"Silly piece of paper". Well Done, Bravo! Way to show how important it is to you. Fantastic job.
　

Antime, Anywhere.

Nice job...

Love that "Belgian Waffle".....

 

[Centrehalf]

Openmind ( a.k.a. Notorious BW),

1. If you don't want to answer a simple question, just say so. You don't have to resort to all this "it's moot and I went to college" nonsense. Just say that you brought up a topic in the thread but you don't want to field queries, that's weak but at least it's honest.

2. Internet Credentials mean nothing to me. I am never going to give you, or anyone else, a detailed breakdown of my educational and professional history. You're just going to have to judge my opinions based upon what I write. When I see a bad opinion online I don't all of a sudden believe it's good because the poster went all TMI about their completely unverifiable educational background.

3. When I gave good reasons to gain citizenship earlier than you did, I didn't mention patriotism or wrapping yourself in the flag. In fact, I thought I gave some rather practical reasons. At no time did I suggest that you should go all America over everyone's ass.

4. I'm rubber and you're glue...

 

[Texas_tea]

I think it is comical of that Harry Reid came out with all those all out lies about how Romney didn't pay any taxes and now that he has released them the MSM is saying he paid too much taxes. Wait a minute, is that what the libs have been pushing for all along? That the rich pay their fair share?

And, lets compare how much Romney gave to charity, money he earned, paid taxes on and gave away, to Obama's charity or even better, how about Bidens. How could anyone believe anything the MSM says?

 

[Centrehalf]

I think it is comical of that Harry Reid came out with all those all out lies about how Romney didn't pay any taxes and now that he has released them the MSM is saying he paid too much taxes. Wait a minute, is that what the libs have been pushing for all along? That the rich pay their fair share?

I find much humor in the fact that someone who put "tea" in their name is defending Romney.

 

[Cruella]

I find much humor in the fact that someone who put "tea" in their name is defending Romney.

Romney doesn't like oil?

 

[Texas_tea]

I became a citizen by choice. . .how did you become a citizen? Was it your choice or was it an incident of birth?
It takes paperwork to become a "legal" citizen. . . it takes A LOT MORE to BE a citizen, and I have belonged in the US for maybe longer than you have been alive, and I have acted as a citizen and given birth to a citizen, and work in the service of society and American Citizens by choice.

I think being a good citizen means many things. The basic considerations should be law abiding, of course, and protecting and supporting the US Constitution. I am aware that you did say that you support the Constitution.

However, you also support a sitting president who both parents were communist. Obama has been endorsed by the Communist Party USA in '04, '08, and again this year. This I do not understand. Communism in any form is the very polar opposite of what America is, of the US Constitution.

It seems clear to me. Either one supports the US Constitution, the American way of life (Freedom and Liberties) or they support a radical historical change for America, a massive forfeit of those Freedoms and Liberties.

 

[Texas_tea]

I find much humor in the fact that someone who put "tea" in their name is defending Romney.

Very funny Centrehalf ...
I am not "defending" Romney. He certainly would not be my first choice for president. I am pointing out once again the ludicrousy of the left and the MSM.

 

[Openmind]

I think being a good citizen means many things. The basic considerations should be law abiding, of course, and protecting and supporting the US Constitution. I am aware that you did say that you support the Constitution.

However, you also support a sitting president who both parents were communist. Obama has been endorsed by the Communist Party USA in '04, '08, and again this year. This I do not understand. Communism in any form is the very polar opposite of what America is, of the US Constitution.

It seems clear to me. Either one supports the US Constitution, the American way of life (Freedom and Liberties) or they support a radical historical change for America, a massive forfeit of those Freedoms and Liberties.

Well, you're wrong.
First, there is nothing in the Constitution that says one cannot be a communist, or a socialist.
Second, Obama is about as Communist as the Pope!

His mother was not a Communist, and his father. . .hard to tell, and he had NO influence on Obama's except by his absence.
Are you proposing a "third red scare" and a return to the years of McCarthyism?

You know all those years have brought NOTHING but shame on Mc Carthy, and have been shown to be totally against what you love most, the Constitution of the United States, because it actually VIOLATED civil liberties of US Citizens and led to bills that took away some civil rights in the name of security (yes, already then!)

Maybe you should read a little more on this.

 

[Texas_tea]

Well, you're wrong.
First, there is nothing in the Constitution that says one cannot be a communist, or a socialist.
Second, Obama is about as Communist as the Pope!

His mother was not a Communist, and his father. . .hard to tell, and he had NO influence on Obama's except by his absence.
Are you proposing a "third red scare" and a return to the years of McCarthyism?

You know all those years have brought NOTHING but shame on Mc Carthy, and have been shown to be totally against what you love most, the Constitution of the United States, because it actually VIOLATED civil liberties of US Citizens and led to bills that took away some civil rights in the name of security (yes, already then!)

Maybe you should read a little more on this.

I have read up on this one. Obviously what we have read or how we interpret it, differs.

So, then I am to understand that your support for Obama stems on the fact that he has no communist ties and it is irrelevant that he has been endorsed by Communist Party USA since '04.

Would that be a correct understanding of your comment?