Which care would you deny?

[Dr.Who]

Our President has said that abortions will not be provided under the new health insurance plan if it becomes law.

In thinking about the number of crazy and odd surgeries that Americans have I would agree that the Tax Payer at large should not be paying for crazy and odd surgeries or procedures. This is nothing that the President has not said he wouldn't also do - unnecessary elective procedures. His argument is valid; one the taxpayer starts paying then he has a right to expect that his money is not spent on things that he does not like. We can have endless debates, always changing the list of what is covered and what is not. It will be fun.


Which ones would you deny?

For me the list would include:

Homeopathic medicines that have no active ingredient.
All elective plastic surgery, like breast enhancement, for vanity.
Testing that does not change the outcome of treatment.
Antibiotics for viral infections.
Things that do not fix a body but damage it - like sterilization, vasectomy.
Two hearing aids rather than one.
Glasses rather than monocles.
Circumcision
Laser surgery for vision
Tattoo removal
Hair restoration
Mole removal
Birthmark removal
Liposuction
Dental implants if you can still chew.
Removal of tongue from cheek.

 

[Dr.Who]

I see none of the liberals have responded because this would obviously point to the near future which will be full of denials of care.

And you conservatives, I know you don't want any denial of care, but under a socialist system you have no choice but to advocate denial of care - once such a system takes hole then the only reasonable course is to restrict care.

Socialised medicine opens the door to restrictions of care - it must be. There is no other way. So which things get denied?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

do we even realy need to point out the soooo obvios here? Private health care Denies claims for Elective Surgury? No my health care plan would not give my wife breast implants because she wants them. No my health care plan does not cover Eye Surgery ( though it is less costly long term...my glasses cost 400 bucks, and will need to be replaced , eye surgery at 2000 a ( you can get it cheaper but thats a not abnormal number) even if I only lived 30 more years ( damn I died young) with growing costs of glasses ect...Would cost far more...but yes still denied. Tatto removal? hey look at that, my insurance does not cover it!

do I need to go on with this lame idea? nope.

INSURANCE COMPANIES DO NOT COVER EVRYTHING...NOR WILL A GOVERMENT OPTION

 

[Greco]

On the positive side, he had to come up with absurd, ridiculous issues to try to find fault the concept. Just another "gonna kill granny" whine from the intellectually challenged "moran" crowd.

 

[top gun]

I see none of the liberals have responded because this would obviously point to the near future which will be full of denials of care.

And you conservatives, I know you don't want any denial of care, but under a socialist system you have no choice but to advocate denial of care - once such a system takes hole then the only reasonable course is to restrict care.

Socialised medicine opens the door to restrictions of care - it must be. There is no other way. So which things get denied?

You know you do yourself (and your non-point) a disservice when you point to things like...

Circumcision
Tattoo removal
Hair restoration
Mole removal
Birthmark removal
Liposuction

as a reason to not improve our completely broken, unfair, locked up by corporate big wigs healthcare system when the reality is that what we're NOT covering now and why is completely DEVASTATING!!!

 

[bododie]

The issue isn't so much which care as WHOSE. American "granny" gets it. NON citizens don't. If the government can ABSOLUTELY enforce that, which they can't, because they can't even keep illegals from getting social security cards and licenses, then let it fly.

 

[Dr.Who]

do we even realy need to point out the soooo obvios here? Private health care Denies claims for Elective Surgury? No my health care plan would not give my wife breast implants because she wants them. No my health care plan does not cover Eye Surgery ( though it is less costly long term...my glasses cost 400 bucks, and will need to be replaced , eye surgery at 2000 a ( you can get it cheaper but thats a not abnormal number) even if I only lived 30 more years ( damn I died young) with growing costs of glasses ect...Would cost far more...but yes still denied. Tatto removal? hey look at that, my insurance does not cover it!

do I need to go on with this lame idea? nope.

INSURANCE COMPANIES DO NOT COVER EVRYTHING...NOR WILL A GOVERMENT OPTION

You could get an insurance policy that covers all of those. For example my insurance company has given me a plan that covers glasses.

It is your right to sign up with an insurance company that will offer those benefits if you want it.

But with a taxpayer funded plan it should be the taxpayers right to deny coverage for many more things.

It sounds like you are saying that the things you have listed should be denied by thy public plan.

 

[Dr.Who]

On the positive side, he had to come up with absurd, ridiculous issues to try to find fault the concept. Just another "gonna kill granny" whine from the intellectually challenged "moran" crowd.

I thought it would be fun to list the absurd.

Meanwhile our president has said that if your chance of success from a procedure is less than 5% then it will be denied under his plan (just like is already done in Oregon). I do not think that is absurd I think it is criminal.

 

[Dr.Who]

You know you do yourself (and your non-point) a disservice when you point to things like...

Circumcision
Tattoo removal
Hair restoration
Mole removal
Birthmark removal
Liposuction

as a reason to not improve our completely broken, unfair, locked up by corporate big wigs healthcare system when the reality is that what we're NOT covering now and why is completely DEVASTATING!!!

So you think that a taxpayer funded plan should cover those?

Meanwhile, when my son was born circumcision was covered. And most of those are actually covered by many private insurers.

 

[Greco]

"Meanwhile our president has said that if your chance of success from a procedure is less than 5% then it will be denied under his plan."

I suppose there's a reason why you made no effort to verify your claim. No link, no sources cited, just your claim. Until you can support your claim with facts, it's just another "death panel" piece of crap from the "moran" crowd.

 

[Dr.Who]

"Meanwhile our president has said that if your chance of success from a procedure is less than 5% then it will be denied under his plan."

I suppose there's a reason why you made no effort to verify your claim. No link, no sources cited, just your claim. Until you can support your claim with facts, it's just another "death panel" piece of crap from the "moran" crowd.

The reason was that the last time I posted a link to this it was hard to find and took me a while. I did not feel like taking the time for something that no one would care about if I did.

Will you eat your hat if he really did say it?

 

[dahermit]

Although he is not capable of being aware of it, many should have concluded from his posts that he is not the sharpest tack in the box. It is pointless to argue with him.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

You could get an insurance policy that covers all of those. For example my insurance company has given me a plan that covers glasses.

It is your right to sign up with an insurance company that will offer those benefits if you want it.

But with a taxpayer funded plan it should be the taxpayers right to deny coverage for many more things.

It sounds like you are saying that the things you have listed should be denied by thy public plan.

yes, and those type of plans, you pay a high price for. And could still get one, however those are not the reason we are reforming health care is it? for nose jobs and breast implants ( exeptions for things like car accidents, and such where you are injured, not just cuz you want one) so yes, there should be limits to it, just like any normal persons health plan limits somethings that are cosmetic. It would be 1)) irisponsible to cover evry single thing evry single person may want.

The plan should be used for Cancer, Aids, Heart Disease, Flue, broken bones, ext...not as a I want a job at hooters and got bored of my tatoo plan. And yes the goverment will in fact have to say no to some high cost, very low possiblity of working operations. 2 million bucks for a 10,000 in one shot at working...

Its time people wake up and figure out that there will be limits to goverment health care....Just as there are limits to your private.... deal with it.

 

[Dr.Who]

yes, and those type of plans, you pay a high price for. And could still get one, however those are not the reason we are reforming health care is it? for nose jobs and breast implants ( exeptions for things like car accidents, and such where you are injured, not just cuz you want one) so yes, there should be limits to it, just like any normal persons health plan limits somethings that are cosmetic. It would be 1)) irisponsible to cover evry single thing evry single person may want.

The plan should be used for Cancer, Aids, Heart Disease, Flue, broken bones, ext...not as a I want a job at hooters and got bored of my tatoo plan. And yes the goverment will in fact have to say no to some high cost, very low possiblity of working operations. 2 million bucks for a 10,000 in one shot at working...

Its time people wake up and figure out that there will be limits to goverment health care....Just as there are limits to your private.... deal with it.

Excellent, I like that you are answering the question.

Unfortunately one of the reasons we are reforming health care is in part because of nose jobs and breast implants. Everytime you hear the statistic that the US spends more on health care than Canada ( by a measly 6% of GDP) remember that in the US we spend a whole lot more on nose jobs and breast implants. We spend more because we want to spend more. Because we are buying things that they don't buy. When you have one of the wealthiest populations in the world they will naturally spend their money on stuff that other people might not spend it on. Not just plastic surgery, but things like less patients per rooms, and newer microscopes, and less wait times, and better cancer survival rates, and even better cafeterias in the hospital.

 

[Dr.Who]

It would be 1)) irisponsible to cover evry single thing evry single person may want.

Yes, it would be irresponsible. When I buy a private plan I choose to accept the limits in the policy or I shop around for a better policy. If the company denies a service it is because it was described in the contract as something that would be denied.

On the gov plan there will be a lot less shopping around and for those on the gov plan it will be a take it or leave it affair. The gov has a completely different kind of contract with us and when they deny something it will be for the benefit of the taxpayer so there will be a different set of things that will be denied.

I have no doubt that politically correct things no matter how ridiculous will be covered but cold hard facts will be used to deny other things. Time will tell unless this is defeated.