What is the point?

Like "Hating" religion?" That's a real productive application of thought. Do you "hate" certain kinds of food too?

Maybe when you grow up you will be able to get over whatever psychological damage that was inflicted on you by a human being and deal with the fact that hate is pointless. Since religion qualifies in your mind as a belief system it couldn't possibly cause actual harm. So you in fact hate PEOPLE who don't believe what you do. What a great human being. Disagreement is fine, "hate" causes heart disease.

This isn't about hating religion bododie. For once, I am loving Dawkins here.

You have not mananged to answer his question, but instead attack his motives. His motives only have to be called upon if you wish them to. The real question is, can you defend your faith in response to his question.

It seems you can't, yet you continue to believe in it.

Uh... read his signature.

Read the entire thread and tell me who is evading questions.

You are evading the questions Dawkins has put foward to you, regardless.

No I am not. I answered his questions. He evaded mine, but of course since you believe as he does, this is justifiable. No problem.

I did however, believe that you might have been big enough to say, "You are evading questions Dawkins has put forward to you regardless, and I WAS WRONG IN MY STATEMENT THAT IT WASN'T ABOUT 'RELIGION'".

Don't bother. I don't want certain body parts to fall off just because you were wrong.

Idea: Let's just leave it at this: If I am wrong about there being a God, then I just cease.

If you are wrong, nothing will change relative to what you expect at the end of life. You will just cease anyway...

Sure thing.

It's all friendly debate at the end of the day

Bododie

Why don't you shut me up good and proper and explain to me what the point of living forever in heaven is?

To me it seems like a dreadful proposition.

And for the record I do hate religion and here are some examples of why

800,000 men women and children burned to death in Europe for being eccentric
Attempts to deprive the sick from the benefits of stem cell research
Promotion of superstition and ignorance over science
Telling the AIDS ridden people of Africa that condoms are sinful
Denying gay people the equality to marry
Investing in and profiting from the slave trade

And a hundred other things.

I wonder why more people don't hate this hideous form of repression that takes money off the poor to enrich the pious walking round in their luxurious and ridiculous robes.

But to return to the point why don't you stop insulting me and explain what the point is of living for eternity in heaven?

Dawkins, I want you to believe what you believe. I want you to be happy. Peace, little boy dude. Go play with your science kit. If you want to continue this, then like I said, no one else wants to play with you on it. Go to another forum with this thread, and "live long and prosper".

It is a shame that you can't either counter my point or accept it.

The chhildish insults are not fuinny and they are not fooling anyone.

Dawkins, only children make remarks about childishness. I don't think you are childish. I thing you are a child, there's a difference. You're supposed to think like a young person thinks. It's good that you question. It shows you continue to "evolve". I'm most likely old enough to be your mother, so what do I have that you most likely do not? More time on the planet. An education. A serious knowledge of history and mankind. It was my major. I know this stuff kiddo. Mankind's actions regarding destruction of his fellow man were NOT all over religion. They were and continue to be ALL about the need for power in some regard.

When I was young I struggled with the concept of God a lot, and many, many times over. I grew up in California in the 60's, it wasn't the most traditional of times in any regard. I doubt you were there. Don't try to pin the idea that anyone who believes in God is just a drone of tradtional thought. I don't need to fool you. Why would that matter? You see, the main thing that age does is make you realize that hate only hurts the one hating. You don't hate religion. You hate PEOPLE who believe in God. That's a lot of people to hate. If you want to hate, then concentrate on someone who actually does harm to you. At the end of the day, what is your hate going to bring you? the last word? Will that make you happy? I hope so. Think whatever you like, however, I would suggest that you know what you're talking about, don't just take snippets of concepts, and don't get stuck on what people did 200 or 2000 years ago.

Hmm, still no rebuttal.

Continued assumption of superiority.

Misrepresentation of my views. I hate religion. I pity those who believe and hate those who commit the crimes in the name of it. The bad **** that makes me hate religion is current.

But the point of this thread is 'what is the point of going to heaven?'

It is a very valid question and contrary to what you say it is not childish to challenge heaven, it is childish to accept it.

Your georgraphical location and your education has no bearing whatsoever on this question. Except that it is difficult to take seriously your claims of education when you just keep responding to my posts with condecension.

Why don't you do us all a big favour and just tell me what the point of going to heaven forever is?

If you can.

If you don't let's just assume you can't

Any religion where heaven is somehwere that you live for eternally.

Eternal life is not the great thing of myth. It is a curse as everything would become unbearable if experienced over eternity.

It sounds like hell to me

I highly doubt going to heven and being unhappy is anything you will ever have to worry about in this life or the next, in any religion

Hey, more glib bilge from the religious who can't answer the question and have probably never considered the very real idea that eternal life is hell.

I agree it probably would be for you. so what is the argument? will you not be happy until everyone agrees with you? I think it would not be a hell. An eternity to learn and grow and expand my mind, learn new things. It sounds very nice to me, but if you were stuck in that same place with really negative people always complaining and never feeling as though they got thier fair share, always dragging everything down, I would change my tune and I would think it a horrible hell of a place.

No one knows or can prove what happens after we die, and all the fighting in the world wont make us know for sure. what is the point in fighting over it. at least we can all agree being stuck together in with this mindset for eternity would be hell

Anyway, back to the point.

Anything endured for eternity would become unbearable.

Unless you are numbed by some drug.

Is that what happens in heaven, you all live in some semi-conscious stae where you just exist?

FOR WHAT??????????????????????????????????????

how can anyone know for sure what is happening anyplace except the place they are in ?

I would not worry about it if I were you.

Still no explanation