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What if JFK assassination was different?

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Debates' started by steveox, Jun 14, 2007.

  1. 7forever

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    MY REPLY TO A SIMPLE DENIALIST:

    Jean Hill was not unsure about a shot in the car and your claim that she was is refuted by her 1971 interview.

    Start at 1:48: This is an interview done in 1971 where Mrs. Hill directly admits to a shot in the car.

    Roy Dennis: But ah, you do recall at least one shot from the front of the car?

    Jean Hill: Yes.

    Again, I know why you ignore that many people would've testified to Greer's shot because that destroys your simple denial of facts. All kinds of people reported evidence of a gunshot in or around the car. You just ignore most of the them and don't provide any other explanation besides the obvious, because there is no other logical explanation besides the driver shooting back.

    Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store

    Arlen Specter told Dr. Ronald Coy Jones, https://www.google.com/search?q=rona...0QsAQ#imgdii=_

    Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store

    "We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either."

    December 28, 2013

    By Alexander J. Marciniszyn

    They didn't say anything for their own reasons and they didn't lie. It may matter to you, but not the facts that prove Greer's shot. To suggest they would've told the truth then or now is insane. It was very politically incorrect then or today. The film was altered, so anything that isn't there is because of that. Most of Greer's shot remains, though.

    Your denials are stupid. Anyone who believes you is stupid and willfully ignorant. You have to go against everything factual about the shooting in order to believe that what really happened didn't. What you need (facts and evidence) you'll never get.

    He passed the weapon starting at frame 241. That's the handgun he used to shoot jfk.

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    Somebody refers to a specific person and the front excludes the grassy snow job. Bill Greer, provided an ironic photo a billion times over if the picture was taken after the assassination?

    The intro is posted in full on Amazon.com. Click the link below and scroll down. The shooter they would have named could've only been the driver of jfk's limousine. As a last resort click the book link to reach the introduction.

    We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 Kindle Edition

    by Allen Childs MD (Author) 2013 Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store

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    Alexander J. Marciniszyn was the person who wrote the short review that included that many eyewitnesses saw somebody shoot the President from the front.

    Amazon.com: We Were There: Revelations from the Dallas Doctors Who Attended to JFK on November 22, 1963 eBook: Allen Childs MD: Kindle Store

    In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Jones, 'We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either.'" Not much of a revelation to anyone who's studied the Kennedy assassination in depth. This author just throws up his hands in a "what is history and what is real or not?" kind of way at the end.

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    Clint Hill heard Greer's revolver. He knew what it sounded like because all agents at the time were likely carrying one. Testimony Of Clinton J. Hill, Special Agent, Secret Service

    Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
     
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    It's obvious Oswald was a gigantic double agent. He worked with both the pro-Castro and anti-Castro forces, and flew in an out of Russia without any complaint from the US government. In fact, even the photograph of him with a gun was a fake. Any normal person can verify that fact, and photographic experts can back it up.
     
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    The Only Other Theories You Will Ever Read Are Well-Financed Plants

    Good riddance to the HeirHead brothers, the Kochs of their era and with a Leftist instead of Rightist fake ideology. The Limousine Liberals' sanctified spoiled conceited fraternity bullies almost started World War III when all it would have taken to get the Russian missiles out of Cuba was to take our missiles out of Turkey.

    In order to get the Russians to back down, the CIA had to make a deal with the KGB to get rid of both JFK and Bobby, his right-hand man in the politically successful tough-guy act. The KGB deposed Khrushchev for misjudging the realpolitik of the juvenile Preppy brats. The missiles were withdrawn from both Cuba and Turkey. Bobby's punishment was delayed until he ran for President himself.
     
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    She did see them shooting. Two corrections are in order. She saw the man fire the shot that killed JFK.

    Jean Hill

    Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Jean Hill, Address 9402 Bluffcreek, Dallas 27, Texas Age 32 , Phone No. EV1-7419
    Deposes and says:

    Mary and I were wanting to take some pictures of the President so we purposely tried to find a place that was open where no people was around and we had been standing half way down toward the underpass on Elm Street on the south side. We were the only people in that area and we were standing right at the curb. The Presidents [sic] car came around the corner and it was over on our side of the street. Just as Mary Moorman started to take a picture we were looking at the president and Jackie in the back seat and they were looking at a little dog between them. Just as the president looked up toward us two shots rang out and I saw the President grab his chest and fall forward across Jackies [sic] lap and she fell across his back and said "My God he has been shot". Three was an instant pause between the first two shots and the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant and three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade sped away. I thought I saw some men in plain clothes shooting back but everything was such a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg saying "Get down thery [sic] are shooting". I looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man running toward the monument and I started running over there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some policeman that I suppose were [sic] in the motorcade or near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone of the Times Herald had gotten to Mary and ask her for her picture she had taken of the President, and he brought us to the press room downn [sic] at the Sheriffs office and ask to stay.

    /s/ Jean Hill

    Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

    The driver pulled the trigger and the rest of it don't matter much. It was an inside job.

    Here's the now infamous wink, back and to LBJ's right, just before being sworn in. The man to the left in the bowtie is Congressman Albert Thomas, winking at LBJ.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=alb...v&sa=X&ei=UWniVOvNEIm-ggTvsoDwCg&ved=0CB8QsAQ

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  7. 7forever

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    I proved the driver's shot, not Bill Cooper or anyone else.

    The Governor of Texas, John Connally looked directly at jfk's real assassin immediately after the fatal headshot. The driver and ss agent (William Greer) fired that shot into the President's right forehead with the resulting bullet exiting the right rear. This case was proven and closed almost 6 years ago. He kind of lifts his head up and pauses before hitting the floor.

    Connally saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself, but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot JFK. The Governor, logically starting turning toward the driver because he was braking before he shot the President.

    John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume IV :: Page 136

    Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

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    John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume IV :: Page 133

    So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

    GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.

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    Jfk was shot three times. Twice from the front and once in the back. The back shot is visible in the nix film and occurs just before the headshot. There were at least three shooters.

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    After looking at this for several days I am satisfied that T3 is accurate based on several diagram comparisons. It also makes sense that Humes & Company told Dr. Burkley this location which is why he put it on JFK's death certificate. His neck was scrunched backward giving the appearance of being higher than it actually was, but even so, it can't be any higher than T2.

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    The kooks claimed T1 was fractured. Where's the proof? The give-away is the distance between T3 and where the neck meets the shoulder. It looks damn close to a match.

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    Gerald Ford forced to admit the Warren Report fictionalized

    The bullet hole is precisely in the upper back and could never be considered at the base of the neck without being wholly dishonest. It matches the hole in his shirt and suitcoat. A lie is never validated. When Gerald Ford and the WC changed the word, back to neck, they lied. When a person claims the bullet hole is on the neck they are lying. T1 could be considered (at least visually) at the base of the neck, but definitely not T3 or the bullet hole Jfk suffered to his upper back.

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    The final report said: ''A bullet had entered the base of the back of his
    neck slightly to the right of the spine.''

    ''My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory,'' he said in a
    telephone interview from Beaver Creek, Colo. ''My changes were only an
    attempt to be more precise
    .'' Gerald full of crap Ford

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    Murder from Within, Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy

    Jean Hill confirmed in this 1971 interview that there was in fact a shot in the President's car. I feel lucky to share this with the thousands of people who've looked at the evidence of Secret Service involvement in the outrageous government assassination of John F. Kennedy. Fred Newcomb's son, Tyler, provided this interview a few years ago and I finally uploaded it for all listeners. It's only 2:23. HEAR IS THE TRUTH!

    Roy Dennis: But ah, you do recall at least one shot from the front of the car?

    Jean Hill: Yes.

    https://clyp.it/gb0abnwx

    Jean Hill was looking at the limo when Greer shot Jfk. FRAME 310.

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    Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill

    Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
    Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.

    Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
    Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.
     
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    "I was thinking it was more than one person shooting." "The others sounded real close, real close."



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    Not until very recently did I realize that jfk was shot in the back right before the headshot. My focus was always on the exit wound and the headshot with some work put into the bullet hole in the windshield. I never had strong feelings about the last 2 shots, but mostly believed one was fired to confuse those on elm street.

    Everything important has finally come together and makes perfect sense for the universal belief that the president was shot three times. Two of those shots coming from the front make any rear shooter totally irrelevant. This new evidence is the only way the government would ever revise this case because they could simply add a gunshot wound without changing any prior conclusions from decades ago.

    The back shot had to come from a different shooter because there wasn't enough time to get off another shot, as the last 2 shots were separated by less than a 1/4 second. It takes at least 3/4 of a second between shots.

    http://www.jfk-online.com/bennett.html

    "At this point I heard what sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head."

    How Five Investigations into JFK's Medical/Autopsy Evidence Got it Wrong - Discussion

    Secret Service agent Glenn Bennett was riding in the follow up car. He was the first to document, in contemporaneous notes, Kennedy taking the back shot. He wrote, “"I looked at the back of the President. I heard another firecracker noise and saw that shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder."[339] The Warren Commission accorded his observations “substantial weight,” writing, "Although [Bennett’s] formal statement was dated November 23, 1963, his notes indicate that he recorded what he saw and heard at 5:30 p.m., November 22, 1963, on the airplane en route back to Washington, prior to the autopsy, when it was not yet known that the President had been hit in the back.”[

    For starters, the Zapruder film clearly shows jfk's back being impacted right before he's shot in the face. It kinda looks like a 'pow' from a batman episode. The other two films also show an impact but not quite the same way. What SS agent Glen Bennett reported seeing is exactly confirmed by all three films. For all intents and purposes the jfk assassination has finally been solved.

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