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[BigRob]

Well, that may be where you want it to end, however, in the real world that is an impossible goal when the districts are set to insure the election/re-election, of the Republican, or the Republican incumbent.

Try reality for a change. You might like it.

You do realize (actually you likely do not) that Democrats controlled the US House for a stretch of 40 years straight before Republicans took control for a 12 year stretch in 1995. Democrats then regained control for a four year stretch before Republicans retook control in 2011.

In other words over the last 62 years, Democrats controlled the House for 44 of those years while Republicans have been in control for 18 years.

You also discount entirely that control of the House is in play going into the mid terms this year.

As I said before, "gerrymandering" is the issue du jour for the party currently out of power. If you want to change the dynamic go win some elections.

 

[BigRob]

You mean the gerrymandered districts that have mainly voters of one party inside, those districts?

If you go back to 1900 (117 years) and take a look at who controlled the US House over that time you will find that:

Republican Majority: 48 years
Democrat Majority: 69 years

Let's remember that "gerrymandering" has been around for long before this - but 117 years is probably a decent enough snapshot to take a look at.

The real issue that Democrats refuse to confront here is their abject failure to win elections at the state level. If you back up to less than decade ago (2009) you will recall that Democrats held 60 US Senate seats and a commanding majority in the US House, in addition to the White House.

Fast forward to today and Republicans now control both chambers of Congress, as well as the White House. But the most telling data bit here is states that Republicans are winning statewide in. For example, swing states like Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa all elected Republican Governors. Historically deeply blue states like Illinois, Massachusetts, Vermont etc all elected Republican Governors in statewide elections.

For all the talk of "Republicans only win because they draw bogus districts" the facts on the ground are that Republicans are winning in swing states and blue states at a statewide level, which inherently means they cannot be "gerrymandered". For many on the left the real issue here seems to be "we lost an election, therefore the system is rigged against us....because how could we possibly have lost?"

I maintain what I stated earlier - if Democrats want to change the process (which is now an issue because they are on the losing end of it for awhile) they ought to worry about doing real things for real people - things like tax reform - that might start winning them some elections again.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

You do realize (actually you likely do not) that Democrats controlled the US House for a stretch of 40 years straight before Republicans took control for a 12 year stretch in 1995. Democrats then regained control for a four year stretch before Republicans retook control in 2011.

In other words over the last 62 years, Democrats controlled the House for 44 of those years while Republicans have been in control for 18 years.

You also discount entirely that control of the House is in play going into the mid terms this year.

As I said before, "gerrymandering" is the issue du jour for the party currently out of power. If you want to change the dynamic go win some elections.

Not sure why you want to deflect from the topic save for your lack of understanding as to how the political system works. You want to talk about the Federal government, however, the gerrymandering has =been accomplished in the State houses, and Republicans have bragged incessantly as to how many of those Houses they control. And I am sure, as is obvious from your comments, you do not understand that Democrats are winning State elections, and the Courts are declaring the gerrymandering of the Republican as unconstitutional. Then you have public opinion which is now 2 to 1 against Republicans. And what the latest attempt by the right wing to destroy the credibility of the FBI, and Mueller, will have is yet to be seen, however, it does not look good for liars like Nunez, and Johnson.

Bottom line is you still support, and defend, liars, thieves, cowards, and anti-Americans.

 

[BigRob]

Not sure why you want to deflect from the topic save for your lack of understanding as to how the political system works. You want to talk about the Federal government, however, the gerrymandering has =been accomplished in the State houses, and Republicans have bragged incessantly as to how many of those Houses they control. And I am sure, as is obvious from your comments, you do not understand that Democrats are winning State elections, and the Courts are declaring the gerrymandering of the Republican as unconstitutional. Then you have public opinion which is now 2 to 1 against Republicans. And what the latest attempt by the right wing to destroy the credibility of the FBI, and Mueller, will have is yet to be seen, however, it does not look good for liars like Nunez, and Johnson.

Bottom line is you still support, and defend, liars, thieves, cowards, and anti-Americans.

Yes...state legislatures draw district lines, such as the congressional district lines. The Democrat screeching we hear in the media is mainly focused on control of Congress so seems like a rational place to focus the discussion.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Yes...state legislatures draw district lines, such as the congressional district lines. The Democrat screeching we hear in the media is mainly focused on control of Congress so seems like a rational place to focus the discussion.

Like a child you have to be led. Now we are back to gerrymandering. Do yourself a favor, and actually do some research on how many Republican gerrymandering cases are being declared unconstitional. No. Carolina, Virginia, Wisconsin,.....

http://reason.com/archives/2016/12/01/is-partisan-gerrymandering-unconstitutio

 

[PLC1]

If you go back to 1900 (117 years) and take a look at who controlled the US House over that time you will find that:

Republican Majority: 48 years
Democrat Majority: 69 years

Let's remember that "gerrymandering" has been around for long before this - but 117 years is probably a decent enough snapshot to take a look at.

The real issue that Democrats refuse to confront here is their abject failure to win elections at the state level. If you back up to less than decade ago (2009) you will recall that Democrats held 60 US Senate seats and a commanding majority in the US House, in addition to the White House.

Fast forward to today and Republicans now control both chambers of Congress, as well as the White House. But the most telling data bit here is states that Republicans are winning statewide in. For example, swing states like Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa all elected Republican Governors. Historically deeply blue states like Illinois, Massachusetts, Vermont etc all elected Republican Governors in statewide elections.

For all the talk of "Republicans only win because they draw bogus districts" the facts on the ground are that Republicans are winning in swing states and blue states at a statewide level, which inherently means they cannot be "gerrymandered". For many on the left the real issue here seems to be "we lost an election, therefore the system is rigged against us....because how could we possibly have lost?"

I maintain what I stated earlier - if Democrats want to change the process (which is now an issue because they are on the losing end of it for awhile) they ought to worry about doing real things for real people - things like tax reform - that might start winning them some elections again.

Democrats gerrymander districts too. I'm not sure why (or if) you think that Democrats want to end the practice.

 

[Old_Trapper70]

Democrats gerrymander districts too. I'm not sure why (or if) you think that Democrats want to end the practice.

Simply because it is time to. The practice of gerrymandering has become too technological, and defeats the purpose of the individual vote. In any case, "two wrongs do not make it right".

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ourt-should-quit-trying-to-end-gerrymandering

 

[BigRob]

Democrats gerrymander districts too. I'm not sure why (or if) you think that Democrats want to end the practice.

Just operating on Old_Trapper's premise - which he reiterates above.