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We Never Went to the Moon

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Debates' started by Scott, Mar 23, 2007.

  1. Scott

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    Those damage-control sites put forward alternative explanations for the hoax evidence which is not debunking. If one piece of conclusive proof is found, all of those alternative explanations fall by the wayside. Please post one thing you consider to be conclusive proof that the missions were real and we can talk about whether it's really proof. I haven't seen any yet.


    Look at how Collins' jacket corner bounces up and down the way it would in gravity.
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=I_CMgqitv98
    (50 second mark)

    The corner moves upward, stops, then moves downward. There's no identifiable force making it move back down except for gravity. What do you people think causes the corner of Collins' jacket to move back down?
     
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    Well that was a whole lot of hullabaloo about nothing!:D

    As much as I love YouTube clips (and ask anybody in here... I do LOVE YouTube clips :D). But I'm not able to test a YouTube clip.

    So I'm left basing my opinion on my personal evaluations of things that I've actually seen and how real they've seemed to me.

    Along with that I take into account the likelihood or lack thereof that a staged scheme this large would over all these many years never have any defectors that would want to set the record straight or enjoy a great personal financial gain.

    So I'm open to listening to your assurtions, just not buying in on the data you've provided.
     
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    You ignored what I said in post #46. Here it is again.
    As far as I can see, this is conclusive proof of fakery. If you think the corner of Collins's jacket is moving the way it's supposed to move in zero-G, identify the force that makes it stop going up and go back down.
     
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    add it to the growing list of things government is trying to pull over our head...
     
  5. Scott

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    Scott Said:
    Please forgive my 'Johnny Come Lately' opinion to this topic {just recently walked in the door} and I've spent some considerable time reading this topic from point 'A' to here.

    But my question is for you Scott...if given the technology that we have and many a student needing to work on a thesis/masters degree; {would you allow the possibility that the extensive Youtube examples that you keep pushing} could be staged/re-taped/video enhanced/edited to make it appear that there is indeed a questionable/feasible thought that the Lunar Landing wasn't real.

    A. you affirm that the Lunar Landing was fake...OK you bought into that hypothetical premise, then why would it not be equally possible to fake the videos that claim that the landing is a fraud....{would the real video please stand up}

    B. Given the human factor for being a 'world class whistle blower' some lessor thinking human would have taken advantage of this 'scheme to fake the Lunar Landing' and made a 'live in infamy moment' for themselves!!! This would have to have been the greatest scam ever propagandized upon the world and Russia would have & could have bribed someone, somewhere to purge their soul...we have had lessor thinking humans selling top secrets to China & Russia for years and they eventually got busted while in the act of spying.

    Sceptic, Cynical person that I am...I just question your proof as more apt to be the 'fake documentation' then the publicity/documentation that NASA has provided.
     
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    All I can tag on to the last post
    is

    ASK QUESTIONS ... DEMAND ANSWERS!

    The truth is out there!

    What ever happened to Glasnost & Perestroika ?

    AMERICA ... or AMERIKA?

    what?



    Lets Roll!
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  8. PredFan

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    We didn't go to the moon. That is fact because as everyone knows, the moon is made of Blue Cheese and if the people at NASA did their homework they wouldn't have used fake moon rocks to "bring back" and would have used a slice of some very pungeant Blue Cheese instead. Duh!
     
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    In all seriousness....

    1. Any college with a science department can call NASA, get the coordinates and shine a lazer beam at the correct spot on the moon and receive the beam reflected back from a mirror that the US astronauts placed there.

    2. Also, there were radio transmissions from the astronauts on the moon that were sent that can, and were, intercepted by countries all over the earth. Many of those were not our friends and would have gladly exposed the scam if indeed it was one.
     
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    No, No, No...it's made of 'SWISS CHEESE' that's why there are those deep holes that you can see with a excellent set of high powered binoculars...JEEZE LOUISE...get your cheese's correct!!! LOL
     
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    No no no! Blue cheese. That's why the moon appears blueish. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Scott

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    I haven't looked here for a long time.

    The videos I posted are tapes of the officially released ones.

    The press is owned and if someone were to come forward, the press wouldn't report it. Here's some stuff about the US press.

    http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1993/93short-attention-span.gif
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/MediaControl_Chomsky.html
    http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc
    http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
    http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html



    You're basing your opinion on what we were told about the cold war. What was really happening might have been very different. Here's some stuff for you to watch and read.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

    http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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    Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
    Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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    The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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    Have you read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war?
    http://www3.niu.edu/~td0raf1/history468/apr2304.htm
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    On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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    Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk

    If the Surveyor program was real, they had the technology to send unmanned craft to the moon back then.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_Program

    An unmanned robotic craft with adjustable reflectors attached to its sides could have landed on the moon.

    Again, if the Surveyor program was real, they had the technology to send an unmanned craft that had transmitters that could have returned a signal sent from earth.

    Nothing that has plausible alternative explanations is conclusive proof and everything you've put forward has plausible alternative explanations.
     
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    Scott Said: I haven't looked here for a long time.

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    I stated: A. you affirm that the Lunar Landing was fake...OK you bought into that hypothetical premise, then why would it not be equally possible to fake the videos that claim that the landing is a fraud....{would the real video please stand up}

    Scott said: The videos I posted are tapes of the officially released ones.

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    I stated: B. Given the human factor for being a 'world class whistle blower' some lessor thinking human would have taken advantage of this 'scheme to fake the Lunar Landing' and made a 'live in infamy moment' for themselves!!!

    Scott Said: The press is owned and if someone were to come forward, the press wouldn't report it. Here's some stuff about the US press.
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    No, No, can't buy that premise...not at all. Not with all of the media, newspapers, yellow page rags, news reporters that are just vying for the opportunity to uncover some: subterfuge/secret government cover-up, something anything that would make them a 'star reporter' winning accolades and making money from this scoop!!! OMG...compare this idea to what has been finite/microscope about 'Area 51', the JFK assassination, DEEP THROAT - Nixon - Watergate scandal...and you think that if anyone from NASA was involved in this 'SCAM' that they wouldn't have come forward by now to make some large amount of money from their 'PROOF'...:confused: Human nature being what it is...that is all highly unlikely that they {all of the people involved in that cover up} would collectively keep their mouths shut! Nope, I can't just say that you've got a basis for your thoughts on this...there are still many lessor thinking humans that don't believe that the 'HOLOCOST' was real either ;)
     
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    The video evidence proves the hoax. There are plausible scenarios that would explain the fact that we didn't read that the Soviets weren't crying fake and that we don't read the words of whistle-blowers. The fact that we don't read about the Soviets or whistle-blowers doesn't make the video evidence go away.

    There is circumstantial evidence of a hoax too such as the behavior of the astronauts.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCTU1eLTYWM

    There's the fact that Jay Windley is a liar.
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1009&page=26#29354
    http://www.geologyrocks.co.uk/forum/q_and_a/a_strange_scenario_re_sifted_sand

    This is who Jay Windley is.
    http://www.clavius.org/about.html

    Look at the way Jay Windley lamely avoided answering this direct question put to him.
    http://apollohoax.proboards.com/ind...ories&action=display&thread=1584&page=1#48055
    (reply #3)

    The above isn't proof of a hoax in and of itself but it's circumstantial evidence of a hoax.

    The only solid thing we have is the video evidence as circumstantial evidence can be found to support both sides. I've never seen the video and photo evidence debunked. There have been a few mistakes made by hoax believers and they have been pointed out but evidence such as the flag waving when nobody touches it pretty much closes the whole case.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=41BF9062EF97A674&search_query=moonfaker+the+flags+are+alive
     
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    The Mythbusters series has been shown to be a fraud. This video explains it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
    (2:00 time mark)

    The flag comes to a stop exactly the way it would in air as the Mythbusters experiment shows. Mythbusters didn't show the whole flag footage because it showed they were wrong. They were being willfully deceptive.

    We know the flag didn't come to a stop because the astronaut moved the pole as the support rod is attached to the pole and is shows the motion of the pole. The pole and support rod are not moving in a way that would make the flag stop moving. The tip of the flag stops moving in the same manner that it would in air. This is one more piece of irrefutable proof that the moon missions were faked in a studio.

    This is the Mythbusters video in question.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8
     
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