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Trumps first budget

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Walter, Mar 16, 2017.

  1. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    And what would you replace failing schools with? Then too, if you have a school district that is receiving 10 times that of another school district in funding, which one do you think would survive? Perhaps the answer would be to balance out the funding.

    Kids need not to treat school as a "job". They need to treat it as a necessity for life, and the parent needs to treat their children as their primary "job".

    But it is the right wing way to place job/careers over family.
     
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    I wonder whatever happened to NASA...... all them bright young nerds with slide rules and thick black glasses engineering a future for the human race.... shit I almost mentioned science... .
    0.5% of the budget and getting cut again.
     
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    I wonder, will the reduction in the Coast Guard Budget, Justice and the Foreign Aid Budget etc. help the peasant farmers in Columbians? It seems that they are now growing more Coca then ever which is great for consumers as the price will go down and with less money going into stopping it.
     
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    Read it..
     
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    I read it. . . so what?

    Are you "encouraged" that Meals on Wheels only gets PART of its funding from Federal?
    Great. . .so only PART of the 2.4 millions elderlies and disabled people will be left to starve in their loneliness!

    That sounds much better. . . .to a fake Christian! Are you willing to participate in deciding which of the current recipients will be kicked off the program. . .or maybe they could start getting a visit and a meal every second day?

    Yep. . .that's the ticket!
     
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    Since their mission was promoting the contributions of muslims to science, they don't need it.
     
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    You might have noticed that they are a charity and receive donations. If an individual thought they could be their brother's keeper by supporting it they are free to do so. Christ never said government had brothers to keep. In fact he had quite the opposite view.
     
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    Again you show your ignorance of what Christ taught, and the anti-Christ belief you support. Now, when did He say that government should not help the poor, the elderly, the sick, etc.? I know that is your anti-Christian belief, however, where did Christ say that?
     
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    You can really be proud of yourself!
    Christ didn't believe in government, but he believed in being good to all, and he CERTAINLY didn't believe that war and instruments of war were a greater priority than caring for the sick and the elderly!

    Your kind of "Christian" makes me sick! You use the Bible SOLELY for doing wrong, never for doing good!

    Meals on Wheels is receiving donations (and currently, a LOT of donations, but certainly NOT from the Trump family billionaires!), but mostly, it is through the drivers who volunteer their time to drive the meals and visit with the isolated elderly that the "charity" part is given. But it also receive State funding, local funding AND federal funding. With Federal funding being cut, not only for this kind of community services, but ALSO for medicaid, States will be strapped for cash, and will probably also be forced to lower their commitment to such worthy programs.

    "The majority of Meals on Wheels programs get most of their federal funding through the Administration for Community Living, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services that serves the elderly and disabled. That agency has a $227 million line-item for "home-delivered nutrition services."

    Those programs are authorized though the Older Americans Act, a law so popular that its renewal passed Congress last year without any recorded opposition. And while Trump didn't single out that specific program, Health and Human Services will receive a 16% across-the-board cut.

    "We're very concerned. We’re concerned about the cuts that were explicit in the skinny budget, but we’re also concerned about what we see as the handwriting on the wall with the percentage cuts to HHS," Markwood said. "Some of these details we won't know for a while."

    Meals on Wheels America, a national group that represents 5,000 programs throughout the country, said it was bombarded with questions about the budget and could not respond to press inquiries.

    The impact is likely to vary from place to place. Every Meals on Wheels affiliate gets money from a different mix of state, local and federal government funds, along with individual donations and philanthropic organizations.

    "We like to say that when you've seen one Meals on Wheels program, you've seen one Meals on Wheels program," said Sandra Noe, the executive director of Meals on Wheels of Northwest Indiana. Like many programs, it gets funding from an area agency on aging through the Older Americans Act.

    The Department of Housing and Urban Development, which administers the community development block grant program that Trump targeted for elimination, couldn't say how much of that money ultimately flows to Meals on Wheels. It's certainly a small fraction: Social services are capped by law at 15% of the block grants, and the most recent HUD figures show all senior services receive about $33 million.

    "We've spent $150 billion on those programs since the 1970s," Mulvaney said, referring to the block grants. And since the federal government started to apply more performance measurements to federal programs in the Bush administration those block grants have been "just not showing any results," he said.

    "We can't do that anymore. We can't spend money on programs just because they sound good. And great, Meals on Wheels sounds great. Again, that's a state decision to fund that particular portion — to take the federal money and give it to the states, and say look, we want to give you money for programs that don't work."

    But scientific studies have found Meals on Wheels programs are effective in improving nutrition among the elderly. And they're cost effective, because keeping older adults in their homes is less expensive than nursing-home care.

    "It's not just a meal, but a wellness check," Noe said. "That volunteer, that driver is able to tune into whether that person's health is failing, or if they’ve fallen or can't get out of their chair. And we’re delivering relief from isolation, and we’re delivering relief to their family as well."
    Here's the truth about Meals on Wheels in Trump's budget usatoday ...
    www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/18/meal-on-wheels.../99308928

    And you know what is funny/sad? It is that it is precisely (once again) the "Bible belt" states, the RED states, those who voted for Trump the clown, who will suffer the most!

    Karma is hell. . .and I wouldn't like to be in your shoes!
     
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    All ready Trump is trying to take credit for what Obama achieved, and doing his usual whining about the media not kissing his ass like his followers do:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-media-failing-report-debt-decrease/98400730/

    "Trump didn't indicate where he got the numbers, but some of his supporters have been making the same argument. The Gateway Pundit, a far-right website, published an article Thursday citing figures from the Treasury Department that show the national debt stood at $19,947 billion the day Trump took office but fell to $19,935 billion by Feb. 21 – a drop of $12 billion.

    However, Business Insider reported the situations aren’t comparable.

    While it’s true that the debt probably ticked down, “this is mostly due to the federal government rebalancing its intra-governmental holdings,” the publication reported. “Debt outstanding to the public has barely budged since Inauguration Day."

    In addition, the federal government is still operating under the budget passed before Trump came into office, so even if the overall debt decreased, his administration had little to do with it, the publication said."
     
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    Spoken like a true liberal.. This is the kinda crap that gets to me, Name me one conservative that thinks that way.. Washington is not my home, it's not where I live, I could care less what they think, My State, My town , my family are where I live .. So let us get back to that, let the States decide.. The states that do well education wise will be rewarded with a population boom. Which would kill your theory conservative only care about Jobs a careers.. The Conservatives I know can multi task.. Heres a comparison for ya.. Trumps Family, Martin Sheen's Family. Martin would agree with you..LOL
     
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    Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's....

    He recognized that government existed but had no interest in it. He was solely interested in his flock and what it needed to be to please God.

    All you seem to be interested in is to have the government do what you don't want to do. Then try to ridicule those who disagree with you for what you assume them to do or not do.
     
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    LOL, Trumps family? Name one that would have been anything if not for daddies money. Name one that has the integrity to call their father a liar. Name one that served their country. Then too, wasn't Ivanka into porn at one time? Haven't heard much about the boys. Then there is Melania.

    As to Sheens family, guess you will have to show me since I am not into Hollywood gossip.
     
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    Slightly off topic from the OP but wittering on about that wanker Limbaugh and Krauthammer may be a really fab sound bite but its a load of shit.

    If one wants to do science then don't cut the budgets... Then again I guess Trump thinks its cheaper to outsource it to Russia.
     
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