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Public Schools - Indoctrination Centers

Discussion in 'Education Policies' started by Cruella, Sep 26, 2012.

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  1. Cruella Well-Known Member

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    So what would you like to see as proof? A New York Times article?
    Cruella, Dec 11, 2012
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    Anything from a source that doesn't have as an agenda the ending of public education and the promotion of private schools where children can be indoctrinated for real.
    PLC1, Dec 11, 2012
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    Yeah children aren't REALLY indoctrinated in the p-schools.....:confused::confused::confused:....
    Gipper, Dec 11, 2012
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    I too think it's amazing that you don't see the Leftist indoctrination that takes place at public schools... What makes you believe children would be "indoctrinated for real" at a private school and indoctrinated with what ideology?
    GenSeneca, Dec 11, 2012
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    Hey THC....can you answer Gen's post? I am certain it will be most enlightening.
    Gipper, Dec 12, 2012
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    And why is nothing done about the failure of the p-schools to educate? One would think something would be done after DECADES of failures, but not in the age of Liberalism.

    We have large numbers of Americans unable to read, write, or do simple math. But thanks to liberalism, these people can depend on government for their subsistence....which allows government ever more power. What a wonderful system.

    Gipper, Dec 12, 2012
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  7. Cruella Well-Known Member

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    Is it any wonder Detroit is such a hell hole? The place needs to be razed along with the teachers union.

    I listened to an interview with a teacher from an inner city school say that a lot of kids only show up one or two days a week. One school even wanted to pay the kids to stay in the classroom.
    Cruella, Dec 12, 2012
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  8. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    pick your favorite
    a. theyre throwing money as as fast as they can !!!
    b. they cant admit the effects of decades of liberal policy have destroyed the family structure that bound socities into the productive engines that fueled the stunning acheivments of the past
    dogtowner, Dec 12, 2012
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    I've been bi*ching about public education for the last three decades and all I've seen happen is it swirling the drain more now than it ever was.
    Cruella, Dec 12, 2012
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    Whatever ideology the owner of the school feels appropriate. In the public schools, the curriculum is set by the state and the elected school board. Here in the late, great, liberal state of California, that curriculum includes reading, writing, science, history and critical thinking, which includes why generalizations (such as the ones being used to blast public education on this thread) are not logically sound. It does not include creationism or religious or political indoctrination.

    The assertion that public schools are indoctrinating children is based on the same talking points regularly spewed on rant radio, which, unfortunately, substitutes for thinking for so much of our population.
    PLC1, Dec 13, 2012
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  11. Cruella Well-Known Member

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    cough, cough
    So that explains why I took my kids out of public schools? That was long before I followed politics, watched the news, or listened to radio. I wonder what my reason could have been?
    Cruella, Dec 13, 2012
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    What? Don't you know that the p-schools would NEVER indoctrinate the kiddies????....those wonderful unionized teachers only teach the truth...:confused::confused::confused: That is why the kiddies in America are so intelligent....:eek:...and conservative....o_Oo_Oo_O
    Gipper, Dec 13, 2012
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  13. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    im afraid you just validated the claim.
    as always the devil is in the details.
    like i said before start tesching the truth about Lincoln and we can start the dis
    dogtowner, Dec 13, 2012
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    Only to then say:
    So, when a negative generalization is made about something you support, you do not consider it logically sound but you will consider a generalization logically sound if used to defend something you support...

    The problem is, you hold the same set of beliefs that you support being taught in school and that's why you don't recognize your own belief system, or the resultant curriculum, as being ideological in any way. Since you do not see your own set of beliefs as being ideological, you see no problem with having your beliefs being taught in school. You don't seem to have a problem recognizing beliefs you disagree with as being ideological and, ostensibly, that's why you oppose those ideas being taught in school...

    Public schools exist because of Collectivism, therefore, everyone involved in the public schools has a vested interest in ensuring that the voters of tomorrow are indoctrinated with a favorable view of Collectivism. What would eventually happen to public schools if a majority of students in every generation did not support collectivism? Well, since public schools are an expression of the Collectivist ideology, it's safe to say the public school system - and it's union - would not exist for long.
    GenSeneca, Dec 14, 2012
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    If the public schools are really all that bad, then the students attending them will come away with a negative view of collectivism and all become rugged individualists who believe in an every man for himself sort of society.
    PLC1, Dec 14, 2012
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    Most absurd. Do not make a mockery of this serious subject.
    Gipper, Dec 14, 2012
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  17. PLC1 Super Moderator

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    The serious subject that public schools are indoctrinating children to be "collectivists"? That serious subject?
    PLC1, Dec 15, 2012
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    Yes, that one.
    GenSeneca, Dec 15, 2012
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  19. Gipper Well-Known Member

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    Apparently our pot loving moderator, who happens to be a retired p-school teacher, does not believe there is ANY indoctrination going on in the p-schools. He thinks the indoctrination is NOT indoctrination, but education. Sort of like the educational benefits of showing p-school students the wonderful educational films put out by those great "educators" Fat Albert Gore and Fat Mikey Moore.

    Like many on the left he is blinded by his ideology and as such, unable to see the truth even when it is right in front of his nose.
    Gipper, Dec 15, 2012
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  20. PLC1 Super Moderator

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    Never, not in 38 years, did I ever show a Gore or Moore movie to my students, nor did any of my colleagues, ever. I did, however, spend quite a lot of time teaching children how to separate fact from opinion, how to understand cause and effect, and how to research facts and come up with their own conclusions. I know that sort of skill is contrary to the self described conservative mindset, but isn't really qualified as "indoctrination".

    Oh, yes, and we spent quite a lot of time on math, reading, and science... Oh, well, come to think of it, science is very much a left wing ideology, now isn't it? Maybe the schools are guilty as charged after all. Perhaps we need to give equal time to superstition. Is that what you're calling "indoctrination?"
    PLC1, Dec 15, 2012
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