1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Discuss politics - join our community by registering for free here! HOP - the political discussion forum

Pope Says Gay Marriage Poses A Threat To 'Justice And Peace' In World Day Of Peace 2013 Address

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by steveox, Dec 16, 2012.

  1. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,552
    Likes Received:
    296
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    Religion is personal to the person....faith. Human rights is a modern transitional neo-political construct.
    My favourite colour is blue... no that's wrong we all think it should be red... Oh!...okay my favorite colour is now red....hmmm
     
  2. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,552
    Likes Received:
    296
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    law and faith are different.
     
    dogtowner likes this.
  3. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2007
    Messages:
    9,862
    Likes Received:
    473
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The Golden State
    The people who religion is calling on people to kill also have rights. What we're talking about here is letting people be what they were born to be regardless of someone's interpretation of ancient writings.
     
  4. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2007
    Messages:
    9,862
    Likes Received:
    473
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The Golden State
    So, religious rights are like any other, their freedom begins where the next guy's nose begins.
     
  5. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2007
    Messages:
    9,862
    Likes Received:
    473
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The Golden State
    I once made a similar argument, saying that marriage was like a brand name. I could start a soft drink company and sell a product that was identical to Coca Cola, but I couldn't call it that. Gay marriages could be identical to heterosexual marriages, but let's just call them something else. In fact, let the government call all marriages "civil unions," but let the churches dub the ones they approve of "marriages." It's just a word, after all, but words can be valuable.

    Gay rights activists take a dim view of that argument, but it looks solid to me.
     
  6. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,552
    Likes Received:
    296
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    I've no idea what "religious rights" are.

    In the case of Aus I'm assuming he has a personal issue; being a man of faith and having to decide how his faith matches with his perspective of gay folk getting married. His church will have a position, possibly not allowing gays to be married in church or not regocnising gay marriage at all or just being plain old abivalent to the issue. In which case, as Dog says, its a matter of his own choice based on his own convictions. Judging by his comments he does not feel he wants to support gay marriage... so vote no.

    So going back to your comment, i'm a proponent in this case of what a person believes (faith) is more important that what the herd decides you should believe (human rights) - as long as its within the law - which is what is being decided.
     
  7. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,093
    Likes Received:
    1,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Nothing preventing people being what they wish. But marriage just isn't between people of the same sex.
     
  8. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2007
    Messages:
    9,862
    Likes Received:
    473
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The Golden State
    What about a civil union with all of the rights of marriage but not the brand name?
     
  9. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,093
    Likes Received:
    1,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    For what purpose ?
     
  10. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,552
    Likes Received:
    296
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    ....for that dream come true moment!! Where one gets to wear that very special wedding dress and hurl the nosegay at at the bridesmaidguys....
     
  11. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,093
    Likes Received:
    1,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    Going to be missing either a bride or groom though. Like a soccer match without goalies. Kinda need them.
     
  12. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,552
    Likes Received:
    296
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    boys will be girls and girls will be boys....??
     
  13. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2007
    Messages:
    9,862
    Likes Received:
    473
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The Golden State
    Compromise: Give the gays the same rights as straights, but protect the word "marriage."
     
  14. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,093
    Likes Received:
    1,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    La la la la Lola
     
  15. dogtowner

    dogtowner Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2009
    Messages:
    17,093
    Likes Received:
    1,373
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Sec 9 Row J Seat 1 @ VCU home games
    They already have the same rights. What they want are perks.
     
    The Scotsman likes this.
Loading...

Share This Page