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Religion and philosophy as illness
1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to area of primordial religion. It is the same field what shamanistic beliefs and practices.
2. Most of these practices consists in obtainment of state of trance [frequency of brain waves attains level Delta/Theta 0,5-7 Hz, similarly as during a sleep] or altered state of consciousness. These states are based on transfering sleepy [dreamy] contents to consciousness [sometimes used is term ‘waking dream’], in the same way can be defined schizophrenia and in the same way can be defined paranoid psychosis.
3. Thus this domain does not lead to enlightenment, only psychosis, that is to say illness.
4. The illness appeared at the rising of religion, before tens thousands of years, and the illness appeared on following stage of development of religion [polytheism, monotheism, christianity etc.] and at the rising and during the development of philosophy.
5. All field of religion, philosophy – which is in fact only certain version of religion, and most of the humanities, are self possessed by morbid condition.
6. Exist no supernatural beings, from field of religion stays only reincarnation and afterlife, but understood completely unlike till now.
7. The law of karma is mostly a fiction.
8. Posthumous state is the same what state of sleep – it is a state of unconsciousness, and is not a state of intelligent and goal directed activity – this is state of unactiveness.
9. Religion should disappear and give place subdomain of psychology interesting in the problem of ‘posthumous state’ as identical with state of sleep. There should disappear also philosophy and give place history of Science.
Gregory Podgorniak, Poland (2008)
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resp. 1.
Astrology is the same what a divination from scattered animal bones – so from an aleatorily obtained configuration, function of bones fulfil planets; ‘accuracy’ comes from inaccuracy of used categories which each separately can contain any property or notion. Of course, information value of such ′method′ must be equal zero.
resp. 2.
The british neurologist Hughlings Jackson (1835-1911) had remarked: “find out all about dreams, and you will find out all about insenity”.
In the first years after discovery of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, researchers belived they had acquired a tool for investigation of Haughlings Jackson’s premise. They supposed that schizophrenia might represent the intrusion of the dream state into wakefulness, and, therefore, there was the prospect of being able to link dream cognition to psychosis through REM sleep.
In “Psychology and Life” (1977), P.G. Zimbardo, F.L. Ruch (subchapter concerning the sleep and dreams) we can find information that according to research of W.C.Dement from the sixties of twentieth century, occurrent symptoms of schizophrenia at patients, can be an indication of the activity which normally would find an outlet in the form of dreams in REM phases.
resp. 3.
from “Religion, culture and mental health” (2006), K.Loewenthal, Cambridge University Press, s. 18-19:
“Peters, Day, McKenna & Orbach (1999) marshal the arguments that ‘certain groups of people have similar experiences to the positive symptoms of schizophrenia’ (notably delusions)…(Jackson & Fulford, 1997). Peters et al. compared members of two types of … groups (New ReligiousMovements, or NRMs…) with non-religious people, and with psychotic patients suffering from delusions. The NRM members were drawn from the Hare Krishna group and from a Pagan order (Druids). Two measures of delusional thinking were used in this study (which included factors such as persecution, paranormal beliefs and religiosity). The main findings and conclusions from this study were:
*Individuals from the NRMs scored higher than the non-religious on the delusions measures, but scored similarly to the deluded, psychotic group. This score included a measure of ‘florid, psychotic symptoms … rarely endorsed in the normal population’ (the Delusions Symptoms-State Inventory, DSSI, Foulds & Bedford, 1975).
…"
Buddhism for example consists in obtainment of the state of waking dream, which wrongly, similarly how in old shamanism, is taking as enlightenment; the losing of consciousness in the state of nirvana is the same what the losing of consciousness after fall into a sleep, and the only abiding effect is developing paranoid psychosis, the same refers to other forms of yoga (the enlightenment is a fiction).
Buddhist koans are imitating an illogical and incoherent thinking characteristic for a state of sleep.
Paranormal abilities – ESP – are based mostly (or fully) on ‘subtile’ perception that is to say transfering sleepy (dreamy) contents to consciousness, so their development is tantamount to development of psychosis; only some elements of diagnostics are probably allowed.
resp. 4.
The beginning of religion ties in with the answer on the question about afterlife and with the rising of practices of shamanistic poisonings. These practices with technic of trance, that is to say waking dream (see p.2.), led to the development of mental illness.
Shamans always used and use such substances as psilocybine – contained in mushrooms or mescaline – contained in peyote and other similar, which cause psychotic states (from such practices derives modern drug addiction and prevalent custom abuses of the tobacco, coffee and alcohol).
The rising of polytheism was connected with some morbid condition, because previous tendention had to find some form of continuation. The rising of monotheism ties in with the person of Akhenaton (Amenhotep IV, pharaoh of Egypt 1353–36 BC), which suffered from Marfan′s syndrome and because of disorders caused by this illness modified exaggeratedly and pathologically well-known more early monolatry (polytheism). Akhenaten was a real founder of monotheism.
Middle East Aryans brought, during incursions, newly arisen monotheism to India. There came into being also the first philosophical version of this abnormal doctrine which we find in Upanishad, this is conception of absolute. This theory reached later to basin of Mediterranean Sea from India.
Current monotheistic religions – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, bring about and are an indication of sickness states, one from results is very strongly weakened mechanism of a social selection, and an effect of this is negative selection, in this way ′religious′ people try to build a repository for cripples and failures (psychosomatic effects).
The rising of philosophy in Greece distinguishes the appearance of the following ill figure, which was Pythagoras, as a theologian he created philosophy as subdiscipline of theology. Morbid condition is well visible at his continuators such as Plato, Aristotle (for example the teacher of Plato Socrates was a complete fool and a degenerate who only copied techniques of Sophists, and Alexander the Macedonian schoolboy of Aristotle was a bone head and a mere ill paranoiac), Plotinus, Thomas, Kant, Hegel (which previously was writing as theologian and more later became a ‘philosopher’) and others.
To convince himself about this will suffice take to the hand writings of Aristotle, Kant, Hegel, Husserl or Heidegger – they contain mostly balderdash and ′descriptions′ of rubbishes – so as revelations of mentally ill persons. Every stream of present philosophy, can be considered as manifestation of psychosomatic and mental illness (including philosophy of science and analitic philosophy).
As the alternative for philosophical theories one ought to accept a scientific realism (this is centre-‘leftist’ theory) but on the ground of politics centre-rightist doctrine.
Theory of science should be professed on the ground of independent discipline ‘science about sciences’, similarily like history of science, interdisciplinary studies, free research on different areas of science.
From field of religion and philosophy illness forced its way to some other fields; overwhelming majority of the present humanities is an intellectual refuse dump and an expression of sickness states (aground of theory of science a symptom of state of mental illness is popperism, aground of sociology such symptom is antinaturalism or antipositivistic sociology – conceptions of Weber, Marx and Habermas, aground psychology – humanistic psychology and psychoanalysis, aground practical theory of society – fascism and communism, aground linguistics – Chomsky’s conception, illness in mathematics – Platonism began illness of present physics – multidimensionality [more than 4 dimensions] and parallel universes, and so on).
resp. 5.
resp. 6.
Don’t exist angels, demons, paradises – it is only sleepy phantoms. While God and absolute is only a product of illness.
On the other hand, leftist ‘ethics’ and politics leads to similar results as described earlier sickness states, because leftist ideology bases on philosophy – so it is also illness. Examples can be problems of homosexualism, unborn childs or ′gift′ which made for USSR democratic President of the United States Truman in the form of Atomic weapon – what was a greatest political mistake in history. Truman procrastinated so long till the competitive power accessed to the new military technology. US Democrats had, have and will have unprobably stupid presidents. Nota bene B.Russell was a complete idiot.
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"(the author of the text comes from outside of Anglosaxon lingual area)
Religion and philosophy as illness
1. All domain of esoterism, of yoga, of meditation can be counted to area of primordial religion. It is the same field what shamanistic beliefs and practices.
2. Most of these practices consists in obtainment of state of trance [frequency of brain waves attains level Delta/Theta 0,5-7 Hz, similarly as during a sleep] or altered state of consciousness. These states are based on transfering sleepy [dreamy] contents to consciousness [sometimes used is term ‘waking dream’], in the same way can be defined schizophrenia and in the same way can be defined paranoid psychosis.
3. Thus this domain does not lead to enlightenment, only psychosis, that is to say illness.
4. The illness appeared at the rising of religion, before tens thousands of years, and the illness appeared on following stage of development of religion [polytheism, monotheism, christianity etc.] and at the rising and during the development of philosophy.
5. All field of religion, philosophy – which is in fact only certain version of religion, and most of the humanities, are self possessed by morbid condition.
6. Exist no supernatural beings, from field of religion stays only reincarnation and afterlife, but understood completely unlike till now.
7. The law of karma is mostly a fiction.
8. Posthumous state is the same what state of sleep – it is a state of unconsciousness, and is not a state of intelligent and goal directed activity – this is state of unactiveness.
9. Religion should disappear and give place subdomain of psychology interesting in the problem of ‘posthumous state’ as identical with state of sleep. There should disappear also philosophy and give place history of Science.
Gregory Podgorniak, Poland (2008)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
resp. 1.
Astrology is the same what a divination from scattered animal bones – so from an aleatorily obtained configuration, function of bones fulfil planets; ‘accuracy’ comes from inaccuracy of used categories which each separately can contain any property or notion. Of course, information value of such ′method′ must be equal zero.
resp. 2.
The british neurologist Hughlings Jackson (1835-1911) had remarked: “find out all about dreams, and you will find out all about insenity”.
In the first years after discovery of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, researchers belived they had acquired a tool for investigation of Haughlings Jackson’s premise. They supposed that schizophrenia might represent the intrusion of the dream state into wakefulness, and, therefore, there was the prospect of being able to link dream cognition to psychosis through REM sleep.
In “Psychology and Life” (1977), P.G. Zimbardo, F.L. Ruch (subchapter concerning the sleep and dreams) we can find information that according to research of W.C.Dement from the sixties of twentieth century, occurrent symptoms of schizophrenia at patients, can be an indication of the activity which normally would find an outlet in the form of dreams in REM phases.
resp. 3.
from “Religion, culture and mental health” (2006), K.Loewenthal, Cambridge University Press, s. 18-19:
“Peters, Day, McKenna & Orbach (1999) marshal the arguments that ‘certain groups of people have similar experiences to the positive symptoms of schizophrenia’ (notably delusions)…(Jackson & Fulford, 1997). Peters et al. compared members of two types of … groups (New ReligiousMovements, or NRMs…) with non-religious people, and with psychotic patients suffering from delusions. The NRM members were drawn from the Hare Krishna group and from a Pagan order (Druids). Two measures of delusional thinking were used in this study (which included factors such as persecution, paranormal beliefs and religiosity). The main findings and conclusions from this study were:
*Individuals from the NRMs scored higher than the non-religious on the delusions measures, but scored similarly to the deluded, psychotic group. This score included a measure of ‘florid, psychotic symptoms … rarely endorsed in the normal population’ (the Delusions Symptoms-State Inventory, DSSI, Foulds & Bedford, 1975).
…"
Buddhism for example consists in obtainment of the state of waking dream, which wrongly, similarly how in old shamanism, is taking as enlightenment; the losing of consciousness in the state of nirvana is the same what the losing of consciousness after fall into a sleep, and the only abiding effect is developing paranoid psychosis, the same refers to other forms of yoga (the enlightenment is a fiction).
Buddhist koans are imitating an illogical and incoherent thinking characteristic for a state of sleep.
Paranormal abilities – ESP – are based mostly (or fully) on ‘subtile’ perception that is to say transfering sleepy (dreamy) contents to consciousness, so their development is tantamount to development of psychosis; only some elements of diagnostics are probably allowed.
resp. 4.
The beginning of religion ties in with the answer on the question about afterlife and with the rising of practices of shamanistic poisonings. These practices with technic of trance, that is to say waking dream (see p.2.), led to the development of mental illness.
Shamans always used and use such substances as psilocybine – contained in mushrooms or mescaline – contained in peyote and other similar, which cause psychotic states (from such practices derives modern drug addiction and prevalent custom abuses of the tobacco, coffee and alcohol).
The rising of polytheism was connected with some morbid condition, because previous tendention had to find some form of continuation. The rising of monotheism ties in with the person of Akhenaton (Amenhotep IV, pharaoh of Egypt 1353–36 BC), which suffered from Marfan′s syndrome and because of disorders caused by this illness modified exaggeratedly and pathologically well-known more early monolatry (polytheism). Akhenaten was a real founder of monotheism.
Middle East Aryans brought, during incursions, newly arisen monotheism to India. There came into being also the first philosophical version of this abnormal doctrine which we find in Upanishad, this is conception of absolute. This theory reached later to basin of Mediterranean Sea from India.
Current monotheistic religions – Christianity, Islam, Judaism, bring about and are an indication of sickness states, one from results is very strongly weakened mechanism of a social selection, and an effect of this is negative selection, in this way ′religious′ people try to build a repository for cripples and failures (psychosomatic effects).
The rising of philosophy in Greece distinguishes the appearance of the following ill figure, which was Pythagoras, as a theologian he created philosophy as subdiscipline of theology. Morbid condition is well visible at his continuators such as Plato, Aristotle (for example the teacher of Plato Socrates was a complete fool and a degenerate who only copied techniques of Sophists, and Alexander the Macedonian schoolboy of Aristotle was a bone head and a mere ill paranoiac), Plotinus, Thomas, Kant, Hegel (which previously was writing as theologian and more later became a ‘philosopher’) and others.
To convince himself about this will suffice take to the hand writings of Aristotle, Kant, Hegel, Husserl or Heidegger – they contain mostly balderdash and ′descriptions′ of rubbishes – so as revelations of mentally ill persons. Every stream of present philosophy, can be considered as manifestation of psychosomatic and mental illness (including philosophy of science and analitic philosophy).
As the alternative for philosophical theories one ought to accept a scientific realism (this is centre-‘leftist’ theory) but on the ground of politics centre-rightist doctrine.
Theory of science should be professed on the ground of independent discipline ‘science about sciences’, similarily like history of science, interdisciplinary studies, free research on different areas of science.
From field of religion and philosophy illness forced its way to some other fields; overwhelming majority of the present humanities is an intellectual refuse dump and an expression of sickness states (aground of theory of science a symptom of state of mental illness is popperism, aground of sociology such symptom is antinaturalism or antipositivistic sociology – conceptions of Weber, Marx and Habermas, aground psychology – humanistic psychology and psychoanalysis, aground practical theory of society – fascism and communism, aground linguistics – Chomsky’s conception, illness in mathematics – Platonism began illness of present physics – multidimensionality [more than 4 dimensions] and parallel universes, and so on).
resp. 5.
resp. 6.
Don’t exist angels, demons, paradises – it is only sleepy phantoms. While God and absolute is only a product of illness.
On the other hand, leftist ‘ethics’ and politics leads to similar results as described earlier sickness states, because leftist ideology bases on philosophy – so it is also illness. Examples can be problems of homosexualism, unborn childs or ′gift′ which made for USSR democratic President of the United States Truman in the form of Atomic weapon – what was a greatest political mistake in history. Truman procrastinated so long till the competitive power accessed to the new military technology. US Democrats had, have and will have unprobably stupid presidents. Nota bene B.Russell was a complete idiot.
"
whole text here: http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2471991318/m/80219143901
