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  1. PLC1 Super Moderator

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    So, you, Obama, Limbaugh, Bush, and Clinton are all lucky that you didn't get caught by the wrong cop and thrown in jail, your future ruined because of our irrational drug laws. Good for you.

    BTW, Limbaugh is still not an elected official, even if Obama does say he is the head of the Republican Party. He has no power at all, except whatever influence he might have over his listeners.
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    Difference is we did these things as youthful indiscretions. Fact is most every kid experiments with something illegal at some point.

    Rush almost certainly did as well. The DIFFERENCE... he made the adult decision while in his 40's and 50's to be a doctor hopping "heroin pill" dope head. Or he may just have never grown up and he's been a raving drug addict ever since his youth. I don't know which but one is most definitely true.

    As far as Rush not being elected while true he also spends about every waking moment that he's not reportedly chasing young Dominican girls or OxyContin trying to influence American politics. So it is totally reasonable to consider the depth of HIS character in a political sense IMO.

    As far as drug laws. We're not talking about legalizing pot here... we're talking about a full blow doctor hopping opiate addict on "pill HEROIN". Don't think that's ever gonna gain much popularity as far as the loosening of drug laws.



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    Most people who grew up before the hippie era probably didn't experiment with illegal drugs, just with alcohol and tobacco, but you have a good point about youthful indiscretions. Still, just how serious is it that someone has a substance abuse problem? How is that worse than any other medical problem, especially a lifestyle problem like diabetes II or obesity?

    Heroin addiction, like any other addiction, should be treated as a medical problem. If the addict could get his heroin under medical supervision and at a reasonable price, there would be no need to hide it or to steal to support a habit.
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    I have no problem with treating it like a medical problem as long as you're not dealing in it... which unfortunately often ends up being the case so that it's more affordable for your own use.

    But for the most part I do agree with your focus on a medical solution for say a first or second arrest if no other factors are involved... i.e. violence, theft or actual drug dealing. These things in my mind raise the punishment bar because they directly affect another person.

    My gripe is when someone like Limbaugh lambastes and rants & rails against anyone using drugs, usually pointing at the "Liberals in Hollywood" to promote his image as a upstanding straight as an arrow Conservative... when in reality he is at the very same time a full blown drug addict himself.

    Do you not agree this makes him a liar, dishonorable & completely two faced?
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    I've considered him to be dishonorable for some time. Whether his drivel amounts to "lies" or not is debatable.

    Our drug laws are not realistic. If Limbaugh, or anyone else, says that drug laws need to be more strict while an addict himself, then that makes Limbaugh, or anyone else, a hypocrite.

    Why would anyone be arrested for having a medical condition? Do we arrest people who are obviously morbidly obese?

    If the dealing or the theft were simply to feed a habit, I'd still call it a medical condition, and treat it as such. Were it considered a medical problem in the first place, then there would be no need to deal or steal in order to support a habit.
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    Hypocrite is a good explanation. I can go with hypocrite.

    I think the problem lies with the fact that there are many different levels of drug abuse.

    Some are recreational and some people just plain enjoy doing drugs so saying it's ALWAYS a medical condition is a little dicey.

    And then when you get out robbing or stealing that's something that needs some punishment on it's own. If not every 2 bit robber or thief would just scream... I'm on drugs can't send be to jail, going to rehab.

    But I do totally agree with your core meaning that it's better to first try and treat an addict and get them off drugs than to just warehouse them in jail without treatment.
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