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North Korea's nuclear blackmail

Discussion in 'Asian Politics' started by reedak, Sep 22, 2017.

  1. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    1. As far back as February 20, 2013, I pointed out "at least 50 years of headache for China, Japan and US" in my thread at a US political forum.

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    South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak said on Friday (15 Feb) that North Korea can never be made to abandon its nuclear weapons programme, arguing that only regime collapse could remove the threat from Pyongyang.

    Alas! It is a fat hope for the Kim Dynasty to end so soon. Kim Jong-un is about 30 years old. Assuming that he won't meet with any fatal accident or get any deadly disease like cancer or AIDS, he could easily live to more than 80 years old. By then he would have outlasted many American, Chinese and Japanese leaders.

    Thus the next period of 50 years is no cause for optimism in Asia. It will be a period of tension and conflicts in the Korean Peninsula. We shall see him dominating and directing the events in Northeast Asia. He will be the source of headache for China, Japan and the US. (End excerpts)

    2. According to https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5e968913712_story.html?utm_term=.41de893b9b4b

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    ...North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told diplomats that his country will never negotiate away what he called a rational “strategic option” against the threat of attack from the United States.

    “We will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets” up for negotiation, Ri said in prepared remarks, adding that the entire United States is within range of its missiles.... (End excerpts)

    North Korea has vowed many times that it will never give up its nuclear weapons. However, Chinese leaders seem never understand what the North Korean regime is talking. They seem to underestimate its ruthless determination in pursuing nuclear weapons. Hence they keep chanting the mantra "Dialogue and negotiations are the only way out", forgetting the humiliating, unequal treaties imposed by Western imperial powers and the Japanese Empire after every so-called dialogue during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

    Dialogue and negotiations can only yield results when one side is stronger than the other. Usually after a war, the conqueror would force the conquered to "negotiate" for an unequal treaty. Examples of such treaties were the Treaty of Versailles, Treaty of San Francisco, Treaty of Sevres, Cairo Treaty and Potsdam Agreements.

    http://houseofpolitics.com/threads/dialogue-and-negotiations-are-the-only-way-out.19557/

    3. At a news conference in China on 5 September 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Kim Jong Un would allow his people to “eat grass” before he ever gives up his nuclear and missile defense programs. North Korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons raises some interesting questions.

    What will North Korea do with its growing stockpile of nuclear weapons some years down the road? Will Fatboy Kim dismantle his nuclear missiles to feed his people with scrap metals if there is no more grass left for them to "graze"?

    Even if scrap metals can be eaten, we don't expect the "Ball of Fat" to dismantle his nuclear weapons to feed his people. To him, nuclear weapons are more important and precious than the lives of his people. Then we come to the final and most important question:

    What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons? It is not for ensuring the survival of the North Korean regime as commonly propagated by the state media. This lame excuse is refuted by the following facts.

    (a) It was not nuclear weapons but Chinese intervention that rescued the North Korean communists and prevented them from completely wiped out by US-led UN forces in the 1950 Korean War.

    (b) It is the Chinese nuclear umbrella that ensures the continued survival of the "Impossible State".

    (c) It is the Chinese economic lifeline that prevents the collapse of the "Impossible State".

    Taking away the China factor from the equation, the nuclear-armed rogue state would be just as vulnerable and helpless as Saddam Hussein"s Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi's Libya or a lone island in the ocean. Now we come back to the question: What is the goal of North Korea in developing nuclear weapons?

    North Korea cannot keep on accumulating nuclear weapons for ever. There will come a point in time it has to put them into "good use". For what use and purpose?

    It's not hard to see the goal of North Korea's nuclear missile programme, that is, to finish the unfinished business of the 1950 Korean War to subdue the South and rule the Korean Peninsula under the banner of the Kim Dynasty using nuclear blackmail. Once the US forces withdraw from Asia, the majority of the population in South Korea would rather opt to wave the white flag than see their country become a "sea of fire".

    4. Unlike communist North Vietnam which tried to whip up anti-war sentiment among American sympathisers with pictures of horrors inflicted by US forces on innocent Vietnamese civilians during the Vietnam War, North Korea is just doing the opposite. It is resorting to nuclear blackmail in order to strike terror into the hearts of Americans to get them call their government to withdraw from Asia so that it can achieve its ultimate goal of subduing the South. As seen in the following links, North Korea's nuclear threats against America do work to some extent.

    (a) According to https://www.yahoo.com/news/guam-residents-fear-attack-north-korea-statements-033540651.html

    "Residents of the tiny Pacific island of Guam say they're afraid of being caught in the middle of escalating tensions between the U.S. and North Korea after Pyongyang announced it was examining plans for attacking the strategically important U.S. territory.

    Though local officials downplayed any threat, people who live and work on the island, which serves as a launching pad for the U.S. military, said Wednesday they could no longer shrug off the idea of being a potential target."

    (b) According to https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...35979791/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

    "The growing nuclear anxiety felt by a majority of Americans – borne out in recent opinion polls, and in parallels made to the Cuban missile crisis – points to just how much the recent standoff with North Korea has seeped into the public consciousness."

    (c) And there are already voices of appeasement in the US such as "It’s time to recognize that North Korea is a nuclear power." If this happens, the day won't be far off for North Korean tanks to roll all the way to Seoul and one of them will crash through the gates of the Blue House. Seeing a small impoverished state could easily achieve such an incredible feat, China would feel compelled or be tempted to "liberate" Taiwan by nuclear blackmail.

    If America is forced by the fear of nuclear war to withdraw from Asia, it may let South Korea, Japan and even Taiwan develop nuclear weapons as a last resort. This last step will surely send the stupid Japanophobic Chinese leaders screaming in protest.

    5. In the "Arabian Nights", Sinbad was enslaved by the Old Man of the Sea, who rode on his shoulders with his legs twisted round Sinbad's neck and would not let go, riding him both day and night until Sinbad would welcome death.

    Similarly, China had been carrying the North Korean burden since the 1950 Korean War. Unlike Sinbad who managed to get rid of his deadly burden, Chinese leaders are stupid enough to continue shouldering the North Korean economic burden, cherishing it like "the jewel in the crown" of the whole country.

    Chinese leaders may have the illusion that they are like the ancient Greek gods on Olympus, just observing the conflicts of mankind from the heights. If they err for a second time to drag themselves into another Korean War, their folly could bring China back to the era of the Qing Dynasty. Looking back at the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese war, it won't be difficult for China to see that it will be the next target once North Korea succeeds to subdue the South with nuclear blackmail.

    North Korean nuclear missiles can already hit all Chinese cities. The whole of China is within range of North Korean nuclear missiles before they can reach the American mainland. If the Rocket Man decides to fire a few nuclear missiles at some densely-populated Chinese regions, there is no way China can shoot them down even if it has the technology. North Korean nuclear missiles are too close to China for comfort. It is just like facing a gunman a few metres away. Thus in the final analysis, China will end up as the main loser whether in war or peace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinbad_the_Sailor

    http://www.uexpress.com/tell-me-a-story/2001/4/29/sinbad-and-the-old-man-of

    http://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world...weapons/ar-AArm9bz?li=AAaGkVj&ocid=spartandhp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty

    https://www.thoughtco.com/unequal-treaties-195456

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/modern-world-history-1918-to-1980/the-treaty-of-versailles/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference

    https://www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/cairo-treaty-chinas-moral-claim-to-the-diaoyu-islands

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

    http://houseofpolitics.com/threads/goal-to-establish-the-equilibrium-of-real-force.19558/
     
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  2. Johnny Tremain

    Johnny Tremain Well-Known Member

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    ALL of the missiles being fired off by North Korea are being driven out of China and into Kim's hands as fireworks. The Nuclear tests done there--were designed and built in CHINA and the entire ruse is China's way to try to control the Korean Peninsula. Their greatest fear is that the USA will arm South Korea with nuclear-tipped intermediate & longer range missiles just to their east. And likely, too, they will be placed in Japan for their self-defense. If CHINA wants to arm North Korea--then the USA will arm South Korea and Japan. And keep a dozen Trident submarines off the Chinese coastline forever--each with 240 nuclear MIRV warheads aboard. CHINA is playing a VERY dangerous game. One they really don't know a hell of a lot about.

    North Korea has produced NO nuclear weapons, nor missiles AT ALL. They are of 100% Chinese origin. And Iran figures into all this as well--which is why Saudi Arabia is quite friendly with the USA now and letting women wreck autos all over Riyadh.

    China is trying to pull the rug out from under the USA and the world order now on the cheap--giving popcorn nukes to little tyrants around the globe. They might live to regret it dearly. They think somehow they are immune to danger. Just like they thought in 1930.

    Before 36 months have passed from today--Kim Jong-un--will disappear forever from this Earth. Maybe openly--maybe covertly. But--he will vanish. And Pyongyang Patty--the hysterical psychotic hag that delivers their news--will be foaming at the mouth in an apoplectic tirade not seen since the days of Roland Freisler's courtroom antics.
     
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  3. reedak

    reedak Well-Known Member

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    My friend, you are talking with your head in the cloud, just treating all the readers as morons, dotards or 3-year-old children. Please cite any link or website to back up your ridiculous claim.

    Please read the following article by Paul Joseph Watson who is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.

    The following are excerpts from Paul Joseph Watson's April 12, 2013 article headlined "Who Gave North Korea Nukes In The First Place?" at https://www.infowars.com/who-gave-north-korea-nukes-in-the-first-place/

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    Amidst reports that North Korea now has nuclear-equipped ballistic missiles as experts warn a conflict on the Korean peninsular is more likely than not, it’s important to remember who armed North Korea with nuclear weapons in the first place – namely the U.S. government and the CIA...

    Both the Clinton and Bush administrations played a key role in helping the late Kim Jong-Il develop North Korea’s nuclear prowess from the mid 1990’s onwards.

    Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld presided over a $200 million dollar contract to deliver equipment and services to build two light water reactor stations in North Korea in January 2000 when he was an executive director of ABB (Asea Brown Boveri). Wolfram Eberhardt, a spokesman for ABB confirmed that Rumsfeld was at nearly all the board meetings during his involvement with the company.

    Rumsfeld was merely picking up the baton from the Clinton administration, who in 1994 agreed to replace North Korea’s domestically built nuclear reactors with light water nuclear reactors. Clinton policy wonks claimed that light water reactors couldn’t be used to make bombs. Not so according to Henry Sokolski, head of the Non-proliferation Policy Education Center in Washington, who stated, “LWRs could be used to produce dozens of bombs’ worth of weapons-grade plutonium in both North Korea and Iran. This is true of all LWRs — a depressing fact U.S. policymakers have managed to block out.”

    “These reactors are like all reactors, they have the potential to make weapons. So you might end up supplying the worst nuclear violator with the means to acquire the very weapons we’re trying to prevent it acquiring,” said Sokolski...

    In April 2002, the Bush administration announced that it would release $95 million of American taxpayer’s dollars to begin construction of the ‘harmless’ light water reactors in North Korea. Bush argued that arming the megalomaniac dictator Kim Jong-Il with the potential to produce a hundred nukes a year was, “vital to the national security interests of the United States.” Bush released even more money for the same purpose in January 2003.

    Bush released the funds despite the startling revelation, reported by South Korean newspapers, that a North Korean missile warhead had been found in Alaska.

    Construction of the reactors was eventually suspended, but North Korea had an alternative source through which they could obtain the nuclear secrets vital to building an atom bomb arsenal – CIA asset and international arms smuggler AQ Khan.

    In 2004, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, the father of Pakistan’s atom bomb program, admitted sharing nuclear technology via a worldwide smuggling network that included facilities in Malaysia which manufactured key parts for centrifuges.

    Khan’s collaborator B.S.A. Tahir ran a front company out of Dubai that shipped centrifuge components to North Korea.

    Despite Dutch authorities being deeply suspicious of Khan’s activities as far back as 1975, the CIA prevented the Dutch from arresting him on two separate occasions....

    Lubbers stated that Khan was allowed to slip in and out of the Netherlands with the blessing of the CIA, eventually allowing him to become the “primary salesman of an extensive international network for the proliferation of nuclear technology and know-how,” according to George W. Bush himself, and sell nuclear secrets that allowed North Korea to build nuclear bombs....

    In 2005, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf acknowledged that Khan had provided centrifuges and their designs to North Korea.

    Through their policies in aiding North Korea to build light water reactors, and via the CIA asset AQ Khan who was protected at every step of the way while he helped provide North Korea with the means to build a nuclear arsenal, the U.S. government itself was directly complicit in providing North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il and now his successor Kim Jong-un with the nuclear weapons that have now caused an international crisis with the Korean peninsula on the brink of war.

    Given the documented history of the United States’ role in arming North Korea with the very weapons the reclusive state is now threatening to use against Americans, the constant drumbeat of fearmongering by the US media about North Korea’s intentions is missing a huge part of the story. (End excerpts)
     
  4. Johnny Tremain

    Johnny Tremain Well-Known Member

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    I don't come here often--
    nor does anyone else--my remarks are based on facts known to me--but probably not to you.
    Re-read my post--and keep it in mind as you watch events transpire in the future.
    North Korea is a total and complete puppet of Beijing--and always has been.
    Study the Korean War--which is still ongoing--no treaty or surrender.
    The ruse created by China--has run its course--and they know it.
    The "threat" of North Korea and it's silly "leaders" --has run its course.
    It is over. Kim can evaporate anytime China wants him to.
     
  5. penderyn

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    One thing we can be sure of - unless the North Korean dictator is suicidal, he will not give up any arms. All who do are murdered (see Iraq, Libya and so on). Heil Trump!
     
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