NHS Horror Story

Simple they cant pay for it anymore ( well they could gut CEO pay and all that, but they would never do that and make them earn a honest wage) and in evry other nation they would not have to pay for it and they compeat with those companies.

I wish the Earth was a Disc Drive. It could be reformatted and we could give it a new operating system that was more user friendly.

your posting of what you call 'facts' are sometimes out of context and have exhibited signs of being non sequiturs---a sh!teload of them.

I post a lot of horror stories about the NHS, and they're out of context of a thread entitled "NHS Horror Story". OK.

You may not be aware that the NHS is practically the poster child of those in the US opposing socialized medicine. And personal experience with it is something most of us would prefer to avoid.

How about this?

http://onthefencefilms.com/blog/index.php?m=200603

In the US, people are responsible for arranging their own health care. Poor people are eligble for a government program called Medicaid. I have no idea what your alleged story is about. If the UK had socialized food and doled it out to everyone, I'm sure you'd be surprised about a system where everyone is supposed to arrange his own food.

What do you mean by that? Isn't exposing the deficiencies of a system positive?

Here's my ideas:

1. Prima facie, everyone is responsible for their own health care.

2. In the US, the price of medicine is high, and one reason is the FDA, a lethargic bureaucracy that takes up to 15 years to approve a drug - this should be fixed.

3. In the US, most insurance is through employers - this causes a demand pull for medical services and inflation in prices - it should be outlawed.

4. Insurers and service providers should be required by law to keep their administrative costs down.

5. In the US, medical care for illegal aliens should be allowed for emergencies only.

6. The percentage of insurance coverage should be reduced for people with dangerous lifestyles: smokers, the obese, the unnecessarily sedentary.

7. Insurance coverage for pregnancy and other voluntary conditions should be prohibited by law.

8. In the US, the tort law system, the system that makes blood-suckers like John Edwards wealthy, should be reigned in.

I can think of LOTS of things - if I were medical czar, things would change for the better overnight.

Lib I suggest you go personally not have health care for a few years and have personal experience with that. Don't forget to get very ill or break something....makes it that much better

2. How fast they put them out is in large part due to how safe, and how well the research is done ( and lack of funding for FDA) I would rather be slow then flood the market with unsafe meds.

3. So you want the government to ban Health care for workers buy employers...Smells like government restricting the free market to me and punishing companies for offering a benefit of Bulk purchase rates to its workers.

4. Please tell me how you enforce telling private companies keeping there admin cost down. Government going to tell them how to buy supplies, and all that? And if the pay some secretary to much fine them?

5. How about a 4 year old kid who had no choice to be there, should the kid suffer because its parents broke the law? That's not American to me, to punish a child for parents crimes.

6. So you are going to force Fat people, smokers, and people who don't do much to not have coverage? Whats sounds very Nazi to me? So now Government is telling you how much pizza you can eat, and all that, under threat?

7. So Punish Mothers, very nice. Dad can go bang 20 chicks, but if something happens, Punish the woman. Try make sure the kid is born to a mother who can't pay the bills anymore...Also I can only guess the spike in abortion would be huge...well played.

8.IE if your Dr. Screws up, he should not have to pay. If your insurance does not cover something it legal should, it should not be punished.



I don't know how you did it, but you took the worst parts of the Free Market, and the Worst parts Of Government sticking its nose where it has no business...and called it a good idea. If you got one vote from one person in the house , Senate, or even one person in state government I would be shocked.

Is that all you have to answer to my post #26???

Just going along with your viewpoint for the moment - isn't that true of anything the government tries to run for which it has no competence?

Oh, Canada

Why Canadians Love Their Health Care and Their Country
OPINION by M. DAVID LOW, M.D.

Most policy analysts are only comfortable with the usual and tangible metrics of health-care access, cost and quality.

The real answer might come as a surprise to those analysts.

Although it is accessible, cost-effective, and provides good quality care, Canadians love their health-care system for what they think it represents about them and their basic values.

Those values are remarkably consistent across the country -- when the issue is health care, Canada has no "red" or "blue" states.

A full 90 percent of Canadians believe that no one should be denied health care simply because they don't have money.

Fairness and equity are values that most Canadians like to think their country stands for. Because they see and hear so much about the real and imagined horrors perpetrated by the U.S. health-care nonsystem, Canadians like their system even more by comparison.

I do think Canadians would be less fervent about their system if health-care delivery in the United States didn't look so awful by comparison.

But, put bluntly, democratic countries tend to get the health-care systems they deserve, based on history, culture and national values.

Most of the debates about health-care reform in the United States that I have seen and heard over the last 30 years have focused on details of how care is paid for, rather than on the fundamental question of what values should drive the provision of care.

So, is money the only value driving the American health-care system? If so, it is more than a bit misguided.

If we truly want to make the system better, as Americans we should find an answer to the hard questions.

What does the present way of apportioning health care in our country say about us and our values? What would we want it to say?

I responded , but you ignored it, so why would they?

You responded to a question addressed to Scotsman? Uh, errrrrr, OK....