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Mortal Sin

Discussion in 'Culture & Religion' started by Jason76, Sep 23, 2016.

  1. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    To begin with, the persecution were rather rare.

    As to the continuing revelation of Christianity, that just shows how they added on to their initial lies.

    There may very well have been some good in Christianity before Constantine bought it but from then on, Christianity grew by the sword and not good deeds which shows that they were not worthy from 380 ce on.

    Just look at the Jesus no-divorce policy and Jesus' sacrifice policy and it is quite easy to see how immoral Christianity is.

    As to eye witnesses from Jesus' day. Surely you jest.

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    Gnostic Christian Bishop there is much evidence of persecution in the first 300 years of the Christian era. In fact it was the large number of martyrs that is said to have spread the church. The Christian religion was not the official religion of the Roman Empire in this period.
    Constantine who was never a Christian played both sides. On one side of his war banners was a cross the other a sun God. There was some conquest by the sword in the next 400 years but this does not explain the advance of Christianity.
     
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    There is almost nothing historically written on Christian persecution.

    Do your research before believing B S.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/02/24/the_myth_of_persecution_early_christians_werent_persecuted/

    If you believe that Christians have a victim card to play then you likely also believe that Muslims do even though they kill a lot more of their own than others not of their ilk.

    Christians killed a lot more Christians than the secular countries like Rome ever did.

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    It is common for those persecuted to exaggerate the extent of the Persecution. However most standard history do say Christians were persecuted in the early Roman Empire . AS H.A L Fisher says in "A history of Europe" Christians stood apart .As a secret society professing pacifist opinions and refusing to do sacrifice to the Emperor. the Christians were suspect to authority, and from time to time ,as under Decius and Valerian were exposed to severe persecution.'
    Even the Atheist H G Wells in A short History of the World, admits "There were attempts to supress this new faith in both the second and third centuries and finally in 303 a great persecution under Diocletian.
    persecution might not have been continuous and it was never systematic to be deadly. By the time of Ayrelian, Christian belief had spread widely through the east and in Rome itself.
    Your statement that Christians killed a lot than the secular countries like Rome ever did is open to debate. The Church used the State to killed people and despite inquisition the numbers killed were not very large.
     
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    All is open to debate for those days as we do not have all the facts.

    As to today, the religions should be judged by their moral fiber and the Christian and Muslim religions do not get a passing grade as they continue to be homophobic and misogynous and most of their members do not believe in equality for all.

    Study them well my friend but if you end in respecting them, then question your morals.

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    Most of the campaigns to bring equality to the wold come from religion The Renaissance and Reformation are examples. Christian groups have been active in getting rid of slavery. votes for all races and genders and help for immigrants.
     
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    Look again for the first time.



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    Ghonostic Christian bishop, It is true that Christians shared the prejudice of their age but they were the first to break out and work for equality.
    It is in the Bible that woman were given high positions. interpretations of the Middle Ages reflexed the male domination of this age here were interpretations of the bible that challenged this.= For example Jesus mother is hail full of grace, blessed among women and mother of God.==
    There were women among Jesus disciples "And with him were the Twelve and certain women who had been cured of evil sprits and infirmities. Mary .who is called the Magdalene in which seven devils had gone from her and Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward and Susanna and many others who used to provide for them out of their means (Luke 8 :2-3). It was these women who Jesus first appeared to after the Resurrection. (luke 24:10-11)

    It is true that early followers displayed the prejudice of their age. But Christianity was the first of the major churches of having women sit with men. The churches lead some movements as the vote for women first enacted in Australia, The party that push this was the Labor party dominated by Catholic and Methodist, It was the Protestant churches that led the anti slavery moment.
     
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    It was also the Protestants who initiated it and fought to maintain it.

    As to women. The Sufferjets saw the church as their main opponent, --- and it was.

    At the time of the making of the law of the sea that put women above men in that one instance, the men were saying about the vote for it something like, why should we let women vote? Men always make the best decisions for them.

    That was the Christian mid set in those years.

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