maybe Trump isn't a sexist afterall!

[dogtowner]

No, other narcissistic men often do the same thing when they get past middle age.

Ivana Trump
Born: February 20, 1949 (age 66), Zlín, Czech Republic

Marla Trump:
Born: October 27, 1963 (age 51), Dalton, GA

Melania Trump
Born: April 26, 1970 (age 45), Sevnica, Slovenia

Dunno... that last one is getting past her prime. It may be time to trade her in once again.

He'll be like the guy who traded in his 40 year old wife for two twenties.

He found out he wasn't wired for 220.

A sadly high percentage of my kids school chums are now in broken homes because somebody tired of copulating with the old one.
Don't have to be middle aged, wealthy or anything else. And it's not always the guy.
There is a reason no fault divorce was fought. Those with a longer perspective on marriage knew what would happen.

 

[PLC1]

A sadly high percentage of my kids school chums are now in broken homes because somebody tired of copulating with the old one.
Don't have to be middle aged, wealthy or anything else. And it's not always the guy.
There is a reason no fault divorce was fought. Those with a longer perspective on marriage knew what would happen.

And a lot of our social ills are directly attributable to such divorces, is it not?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Trump loves women the same way some men love cars.

And, when they get old and have a few scratches and dings, he trades them in on a newer model.

And yet, women seem willing to vote for him. Go figure.

does anyone voting for Trump make much sense?

 

[dogtowner]

And a lot of our social ills are directly attributable to such divorces, is it not?

I guess it depends on what you see as a social ill.

 

[PLC1]

I guess it depends on what you see as a social ill.

I suppose.
How about gangs, teen pregnancy, shootings, disaffected youth dropping out of high school to do nothing, spending a trillion dollars plus on welfare every year, and the number of out of wedlock births?

 

[dogtowner]

I suppose.
How about gangs, teen pregnancy, shootings, disaffected youth dropping out of high school to do nothing, spending a trillion dollars plus on welfare every year, and the number of out of wedlock births?

Thank you. I could think of a number of other things that some might site that are not of a sensible nature (yours being sensable).
Gangs I would not blame strictly on no fault. Divorce may not help but not the cause. Can lump the gang related with it.
Teen pregnancy, a little more direct as the purpose of those vows is utterly lost.
Dropouts ? Again doesn't help having no father but I can't pin that on divorce.
Welfare spending ? I think perhaps that and bastards (by definition not temperment) were.intended to be seen as a group. And in a sense they are as a dependant on charity offers a strong appeal.
So in the general sense, losing purpose and meaning that marriage was intended to provide does undercut society as a whole.
As the church said it would.
They ain't all bad.

 

[LilAnn]

does anyone voting for Trump make much sense?

no

 

[LilAnn]

How can they promise freedom and benefit from making us feel hopelessly trapped

If you are forced on a diet, who are you going to vote for between Willy Wonka and Michelle Obama? What people don't realize is Willy Wonka seems like their best hope, but he's in the pockets of vegans, who want you to eat nothing but seaweed for the rest of your life.

The real conspiracy is the ruling class's right to exist, which is out in the open but accepted by willing victims of i

Almost everyone is for sale. And the only people who can afford to buy them are psycho hot chics and the wealthy. People hate them for their affluence, but envy them so much they put their efforts towards being like them rather than destroying them. Look at the BS people post online about welfare recipients. Most of the people who post barely make 20$ too much to qualify. But people who get food stamps are evil. Corporate welfare, however, is great because they may let you lick crumbs off their boots one day.

Have you heard of the "affluence defense" in court? "I was born rich so I never learned right from wrong". Its worked, too.

 

[LilAnn]

Thank you. I could think of a number of other things that some might site that are not of a sensible nature (yours being sensable).
Gangs I would not blame strictly on no fault. Divorce may not help but not the cause. Can lump the gang related with it.
Teen pregnancy, a little more direct as the purpose of those vows is utterly lost.
Dropouts ? Again doesn't help having no father but I can't pin that on divorce.
Welfare spending ? I think perhaps that and bastards (by definition not temperment) were.intended to be seen as a group. And in a sense they are as a dependant on charity offers a strong appeal.
So in the general sense, losing purpose and meaning that marriage was intended to provide does undercut society as a whole.
As the church said it would.
They ain't all bad.

Society as a whole could be diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder. People have become way too impulsive. A very large percentage of people have dealt/ or will deal with substance abuse issues. Relationships can go from intense one day, to cold as ice the next day. The fear of rejection has turned internet junkies into amateur facebook porn stars.

I'm not trying to joke, either. I was trying to think of causes and consequences of divorce. And I believe peoples' entire attitudes have changed regarding... well, everything. That's why the world is "going to hell in a hand basket." Divorce isn't the culprit. Not putting their hearts into ANYTHING in the first place is the culprit. Kids consider sex something to do when they get bored, and marriage is just an excuse to wear a beautiful dress and be treated like a princess. I know 3 guys who have 7,6,and 5 kids with a grand total of 9 different females... and not one child is living with any of those 3 dads. Because for people like that being a parent matters less than which smartphone they have this week.

I believe "to each their own"... even if I don't sound like it sometimes. But even if you don't take the rose colored glasses off you can't miss how screwed things are becoming. I don't know if my sense of fear, dread, or sadness bothers me the most

 

[dogtowner]

Society as a whole could be diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder. People have become way too impulsive. A very large percentage of people have dealt/ or will deal with substance abuse issues. Relationships can go from intense one day, to cold as ice the next day. The fear of rejection has turned internet junkies into amateur facebook porn stars.

I'm not trying to joke, either. I was trying to think of causes and consequences of divorce. And I believe peoples' entire attitudes have changed regarding... well, everything. That's why the world is "going to hell in a hand basket." Divorce isn't the culprit. Not putting their hearts into ANYTHING in the first place is the culprit. Kids consider sex something to do when they get bored, and marriage is just an excuse to wear a beautiful dress and be treated like a princess. I know 3 guys who have 7,6,and 5 kids with a grand total of 9 different females... and not one child is living with any of those 3 dads. Because for people like that being a parent matters less than which smartphone they have this week.

I believe "to each their own"... even if I don't sound like it sometimes. But even if you don't take the rose colored glasses off you can't miss how screwed things are becoming. I don't know if my sense of fear, dread, or sadness bothers me the most

I also believe that people respect nothing and are only interested in feeding their hedonism in whatever form it takes (drugs, sex, violence etc).
The children.talking "freelove" in the 60s never grew up. They then found divorce was costly and hard so along came no fault.
And without the tie that binds all the rest imploded.
Pretty sad.

 

[Pidgey]

Capitolist Hill

Of course, that goes for business as well as government. Otherwise, wise people will suspect you of wanting to eliminate power-mad government regimes in order to replace them with private-sector tyranny.

Have to say, Sage, that you kinda' approach things a bit obliquely... and I often have a difficult time actually figuring out what you're saying. I do get the tone dripping with sarcasm. In any case, this country WAS supposed to be a "Rule of Law" constitutional republic. And the last great check-and-balance that The People had by design was supposed to be the power to judge ANY law as unfair by way of serving on juries in court (don't like the law and feel the defendant shouldn't be convicted of it? vote "NOT guilty").

What we have today is exactly why Benjamin Franklin answered that query regarding what kind of government they'd formed with “A Republic, if you can keep it.” Their study of history indicated that such governmental systems always devolve into a mess like it's becoming. I just see it as a rather predictable and VERY widespread human failing--people get lazy.

 

[Pidgey]

I believe "to each their own"... even if I don't sound like it sometimes. But even if you don't take the rose colored glasses off you can't miss how screwed things are becoming. I don't know if my sense of fear, dread, or sadness bothers me the most

Dread would be a good one to focus on, methinks...

Many great civilizations/empires of the past died the same way: a narcissistic wave passing through that caused an epic atrophy of productive effort leading to an economic implosion. Then, usually, some leaner and meaner group would sweep in and wipe 'em out, taking the prize. In OUR world, the interconnectivity in the realm of High Finance has pretty much created en environment of Mutually-Assured Destruction on so many levels that it's hard to imagine ANYone surviving in the event of a major banking system failure. That's probably why there's a plethora of zombie and dystopian themes in entertainment today.

 

[nailah783]

I really don't understand why people think that Trump would be a good president. He has never held a political office. He has no idea what it would take to run a country. Running a company and running a country are two different things. He didn't really have to answer to anybody when he ran his company, but Congress can stop him from doing anything that he promises to do just like they did Obama. That's the part that most people don't realize. The President is not the final say.

 

[dogtowner]

I really don't understand why people think that Trump would be a good president. He has never held a political office. He has no idea what it would take to run a country. Running a company and running a country are two different things. He didn't really have to answer to anybody when he ran his company, but Congress can stop him from doing anything that he promises to do just like they did Obama. That's the part that most people don't realize. The President is not the final say.

He is valid because he us not a pol.
He answers to voters not special interests with a checkbook.
Because he knows how to wield the bully pulpit he can bring pressure to bear on congress. And since BO has rendered separation of powers moot it doesn't matter.

 

[nailah783]

He is valid because he us not a pol.
He answers to voters not special interests with a checkbook.
Because he knows how to wield the bully pulpit he can bring pressure to bear on congress. And since BO has rendered separation of powers moot it doesn't matter.

I guess I can see your point on that, but that doesn't mean that I think he would be a good president. I can see how him not needing special interest groups to fund him, can be an asset to the country. I definitely feel like it should be someone who knows how to work within the system and make it work for the betterment of the country. Plus, Trump keeps saying things that just makes me not like him. That's why we have an election though. Everybody is not going to agree, but I don't like him.