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Is Gaza Really an "Occupied" Territory

Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Politics' started by BigRob, Jul 23, 2014.

  1. BigRob

    BigRob Well-Known Member

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    With what is taking place in Gaza I keep seeing the usual statements of Israel invading "occupied Gaza". But is Gaza really an occupied territory? The next time you hear someone make this statement, ask them why they think Gaza is "occupied". After all, Israel essentially completely withdrew in 2005.

    If the person making the claim can muster an answer at all (which I have found to be unlikely in personal conversations) you will hear the usual talk that even though Israel has withdrawn from Gaza they continue to exercise complete control over airspace, the borders (ignoring that Egypt controls the Rafah Crossing), and have instituted a "blockade" essentially from land and sea - thus creating an "occupation" under international law.

    But what international law? What is this claim even based on? Article 42 of the 1907 Hague Regulations? No. The Geneva Conventions maybe? Nope. Far as I can tell it is based on nothing meaningful. To make this argument and assert it amounts to an "occupation" of Gaza, one must view the blockade of Cuba as the United States "occupying" Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. One must essentially view border controls as an "occupation", because you control who is able to cross your border. It just doesn't make any sense.

    Even more laughably one might look to the recent UNSC Resolution in regards to action in Libya and see how an "occupation" was defined - for a glaring example of the double standard the Anti-Israeli types want to employ. It authorized military force, froze assets, created a no-fly zone over Libya, yet specifically rules out "occupation". Based on claims from those arguing Gaza is occupied for this reason, that is the very definition of an occupation - but it is clearly not the case.

    Pro-Hamas types like to blame Israel for everything bad taking place in Gaza, so let us back up to see just how Hamas has run Gaza into the ground and attempted to blame Israel for their own actions. In 2005 Israel left Gaza and at the time Israeli PM Sharon stated, “We desire a life living side-by-side, in understanding and peace. Our goal [in disengaging] is that the Palestinians will be able to live in dignity and freedom in an independent state, and, together with us, enjoy good neighborly relations.” You might recall that Hamas (not the main power in Gaza at the time) reacted by calling for more Jihad against Israel.

    Despite this, Israel and the Palestinian Authority signed the Agreement on Movement and Access which gave Palestinians control over their borders, allowed imports and exports, and included construction of a seaport and possible airport. Unfortunately Hamas rose to power and purged Gaza of their Fatah rivals and declared that Gaza would be a base to destroy Israel.

    After this, Israel responded in 2007 with a blockade (which a 2011 UN inquiry found to be legal by the way) to keep weapons out of the hands of Hamas, while letting through humanitarian items and food. Hamas negated all of the previous agreements in Gaza which would have been clearly beneficial to the people living there - and for what? Essentially for the ability to attack Israel.

    Even now, they continue to reject the Egyptian truce deal, which even the governing body in the West Bank is urging them to accept. I had a conservation with a friend the other day that I think was fairly telling, I will summarize it below:

    Friend: Israel will never be able to get a lasting peace if they constantly overreact like this and continue to bomb civilians.

    Me: What, in your opinion, is the appropriate reaction against an entity that denies your right to exist, and in fact was founded on a charter that calls for your destruction and death of your people, and launches thousands of indiscriminate rocket attacks against your civilian population?

    My friend did not have an answer - do you?
     
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    It is amazing that the left has created and maintained this fantasy. When the public got suckered into believing tv.news all these years ago it was the end of an educated public.
    im hoping that as tv and orint news die off that internet baded media can rebuild general awareness.
     
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    The whole of Palestine is occupied by racist foreigners, who are now beginning their death camps.
     
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    Texas_tea Well-Known Member

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    LOL .....

    Racist huh ..... yes I suppose they are "racist" by the true definition. But, not foreigners.

    Racist because there is no question that they are a more evolved race than the swine who refuse to recognize their existence.
     
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    How long is it since the ancestors of the current Palestinians were followers of Judaism? How long is it since the Khazars and other foreigners adopted Judaism? How long is it since the vast majority of Zionists were serious followers of Judaism? The trouble is that this whole question allows racists to muddle up religion and ethnicity with colonialism and murder, and to censor critics on the grounds that objecting to child-murder is 'anti-semitic'. It makes for depressing tedium.
     
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    Israel has the right to defend itself against the child murdering genocide seeking enemies ....
     
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    This is an amazing rebuttal. How can anyone argue with such clear, concise brilliance? (y)
     
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    Go on - try very hard, and you might find two words to rub together, like 'Nazi crap' or the like! :)
     
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    Yes .....

    "Nazi crap"? ..... that's good. Both Hitler and the Palestinians were/are dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish people.

    Although ..... it certainly appears the Jewish people are not helpless this time unlike under Hitler ....
     
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    We are objecting to child murders.

    Palestinian children being murdered at the hands of Palestinians.

    These Palestinian animals are bombarding Israel with rockets fired from the schools of their own children.

    MAKING THEM HUMAN SHIELDS

    Then when Israel responds after numerous warnings of the exact target that will be hit .... these animals still do not remove their children, leaving them to die so dumb ass propagandist can say ....

    "Oh, the horror ..... Israel is killing Palestinian children ...."

    The reality is ..... Hamas started this war, Hamas is using the Palestinian people to include children as human shields. Hamas is the aggressor, Hamas is responsible for this war and the Palestinians will pay the price.
     
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    No - the Zionists are dedicated to the destruction of Judaism and its replacement by a Germanic Volk who murder everyone outside the colonising 'race'. Aren't you nutters ever ashamed? How do you sleep at night, with all that child blood on your hands?
     
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    It is the Palestinians' Country, not the nazis'. Why are you supporting these racist, murdering scum?
     
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    I do not support the "racist, mudering scum" ....therefore I am against Hamas.
     
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    The blood of the children are on the hands of Hamas ....

    All normal thinking people understand this.
     
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    You should see the television programming and school lessons for the poor Palestinian children. They are brainwashed as babies to hate and want to murder Jews.

    Sad they can't see how they are used as tools for Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood. The Hamas and their terrorist blood thirsty supporters will continue to use and abuse them.
     
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