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Hunting in Africa

Discussion in 'House of Politics Lounge' started by Openmind, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

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    totally agree with you.
    My ire is aimed at the willful shooting of endangered species as per the picture above not the odd elk in the backwoods or a few ducks on a pond. I would agree if you're talking about field sports... pheasant shoots and stuff like that. However, poachers poach because they have a market generally the rich and wealthy who tend not to give a crap until their faces appear on the screens and then its a different matter - Trumps words do little to assuage that image. You throw out the phrase "suburbanites" as if its a badge of shame, however, I would grasp that title and hold it high and pronounce it a symbol of hope - its the suburbanites that tend to be the ones involved in the fight against these poeple. Look at the words of your President I quoted above, he has the power to do more in one day that any of us in a lifetime - a lot of good his words were. He chooses to blather on about peoples amended rights and golf for fuck sakes. I think that was the bases of the ire; someone (and others like him) who claim to possess a higher education but seem incapable of understanding the consequences of his words or actions and the fact that he can do something about it.

    I don't know you are probably right. It all seems to me like the domestication of the earth for human economic benefit. Develop the economies of African good idea! The same Africans with their continuing levels of tribalism and inter-tribal hatred I doubt they can be trusted to handle their economies..... anyway to me that just sucs...I tilt at windmills I know that but hell someone has to.
     
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    Poachers do not sneak rich guys onto game preserves, they kill the animals for tusks or horns or something else easily hacked off then they take off to avoid prosecution. I don't hear suburbanites railing about poachers but if somebody spends thousands to take an elderly critter boy do they howl. And no tears for those animals the Rangers cull or pay to have guides cull.
    If you don't want to be part of the solution then why complain about those who do ?
     
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    oh that's not true! There's whole groups organised against these people

    how do work that one?
     
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    Doing what?

    Outlaw ivory and other like trade. Support wild life conservation. That means recognizing that hunters are required to lay off the young and others in their reproductive years. That's what the guides get paid for. They are providing a needed service.
    Short of donating acreage or cash to operate refuges, land is the bottleneck.
     
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    you seem to have this fanciful idea that all national parks in Africa are like the Kruger. They're not. I spent enough time in Malawi and equally nice garden spots of Africa and unless they have changed there approach in the last 15 years - which I doubt then they are open to anyone that wants to go in. Guides ....Organised hunting.... don't make me laugh.
     
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    Some are better than others. Kenya does pretty well since they recognize it as a resource. Malawi is a hole and small potatos.
     
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    Indeed so lets not get too dilusional about Zimbabwe and their park management systems and their high regard for the protection of endangered species.

    UK Armed Forces will help stem illegal wildlife trade in Malawi by training a new force of anti-poaching trackers.
    I wish them luck with that I couldn't teach them one end of a helicopter from the other

    Tea... they grow good tea...and tobacco.... no potatoes..:)
     
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    Zimbabwe geez Scotty talk about going from bad to worse....
    Corruption is probably a bigger problem than poaching but there is no solution to that. Have to rely on killing the market for savanna viagra. And there has been some progress there.
     
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