Hell freezes over: Koch's scientists confirm that climate change is REAL!

We can put it to bed if you can acknowledge that the energy budget that we, nasa, the ipcc, etc are dealing with is representing the earth as a flat disk being irradiated all the time by a solar flux that is 1/4 of the actual amount of incoming solar radiation.


By the way, you shouldn't be surprised that they answer. I am in regular contact with a quite large number of climate scientists on both sides of the argument and am on quite a few mailing lists in which I receive correspondence they forward to each other in email blast form. It isn't as if they were gods or emperors. They are people trying to have their point of view accepted.

No, I meant what I said. By using the expression p/4, they effectively skinned the earth and laid its entire surface area out flat and have it being irradiated by energy equal to about 1/4 of the solar constant. I specifically asked if they were irradiating the entire surface of the earth at the same time and both answered in the affirmative and explained the mathematical technique by which it was done. The only way to irradiate a sphere across its entire surface at the same time is to lay its surface out flat like a map.

I didn't represent my self as a skeptic. I represented myself as someone with a question. And no, they don't have thier staff answer such questions. Over a period of time you don't see variations in the writing style as you might if more than one person were answering emails. They don't always answer within a couple of hours, but you will nearly always get an answer.

Even after all this free education Pale has given you, you still believe in the hoax. Amazing!!! And, you still believe the entire scientific community believes in AGW.

Pale is right. The refutation of AGW is mountainous, but you would not know this since you get all your information from left wing sources...and the funny thing is you don't even know they are left wing sources.

One thing you must learn even at your advanced age is whenever the entire worldwide left elite aligns on an issue, you can be assured the issue is a hoax. It is just as simple as that. But sadly you just can see the forest for the trees.

Odd because they are so secretive with their research. Mann has spent more than a million dollars so far keeping his public funded research from being handed over in a FOIA request. Tax payers paid for that research and it has been used in consideration for legislation. If the research and findings are legitimate, why spend a million dollars to keep its contents secret? He wrote a paper describing his findings in detail but has spent more than a million dollars keeping the data supporting his published paper out of the public view?

Do you not find that unusual.....perhaps even suspicious?

The work has passed pal review and has been published for some time. It is the research that led to the infamous hockey stick.

You do realize, don't you, that the very data that mann is attempting to withold that led to the popular belief that the medieval warm period was a phenomenon limited to certain areas in the northern hemisphere in spite of literally dozens of peer reviewed papers from scientists all over the world confirming that the roman warm period and the medieval warm period were both global and warmer than the present?

It passed pal review. When a FIOA request was made after "irregularities" were found in the peer reviewed paper, that is when the battle to keep the data upon which the peer reviewed paper was based began, and continues to this day.

You just can make this sh*t up...but the warmers do.

Unbelievable.

Tell me PLC, do you believe that a model that makes a flat plane of the earth with no night can really produce a result that is anything like reality? You accused me repeatedly of promolgating a conspiracy theory for no more than telling you the honest truth about the reality of the energy budget upon which the whole AGW scare is based. It is upon that budget, and its 333 watts per square meter of back radiation that the whole manmade climate change hoax is based. Without backradiation, there is no AGW alarmism.

Knowing that it depicts a flat earth with no night, are you still confident that the energy budget represents reality?