Hell freezes over: Koch's scientists confirm that climate change is REAL!

BY JESS ZIMMERMAN
21 OCT 2011 9:04 AM

Remember when physicist Richard Muller was called to testify in the House by denialist Republicans who thought he'd debunk global warming, and he ended up supporting it instead? That was fun! And it just happened again on a grander scale. Muller's group at Berkeley, which was funded in part by the Charles G. Koch foundation, has reexamined (with a skeptical eye, of course) a metric crapload of climate information -- including data from the University of East Anglia, i.e. Climategate Central. Their conclusion? "Global warming is real." Direct quote.

"Our biggest surprise was that the new results agreed so closely with the warming values published previously by other teams in the US and the UK," said Professor Muller.

"This confirms that these studies were done carefully and that potential biases identified by climate change sceptics did not seriously affect their conclusions."
You don't say.

Now, the results haven't been peer-reviewed yet, so it might not be time to start demanding that Anthony Watts drink beer out of his shoe. But in fact, Watts has promised to abide by whatever results the Berkeley group came up with, "even if it proves my premise wrong," so it'll be interesting to see what he and other prominent skeptics do once the paper is published. Probably just click their tongues and say "so sad -- another good scientist corrupted by the Conspiracy."

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Absolutely not. . .if you had gone to those links. . .you would have seen the graph!

Warming has been absolutely evident!

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Good. . .you do it!

So. . .you are smarter than every scientists. . . including Koch's scientists!

NOw that even Koch has admitted they were wrong in negating climate change...you keep hanging on to your straw.

Can you EVER recognize that you may be wrong in ANYTHING?

I don't think so. . .so discussing with you is worthless.

Let's start by this:

Your quote. . .which speaks of "professor Jones said YESTERDAY" actually datees from February 2010.


Now, the data I provided dates from THIS MONTH.

And, really, I don't give a damn if a scientists has problem with organization! Who cares?

He was the scapegoat for bashing some valuable scientific data. . .that is IT.

Now, the new data are so compelling, that EVEN those scientists who WERE sceptical a year ago, had to reconsider their position.

Can you deny this?

Climate is constantly changing... Name a period in the history of the earth when the climate WASN'T changing.

certainly. . .
the whole concern is how fast it is changing, and how fast mankind could adapt to those changes without going the way of the dinosaures.

And, ina shorter term, it is toknow how it will affect our athmospere, ourculture (as in food supply), our water, even our dwellings and the distribution of life on this planet.

Do you believe changes in the climate are the fault of mankind or not?

It has gone from spring to ice age in a matter of days in the past.

Frozen Mammoths have been found with food in their mouths, one with fresh flowers that could not grow except in spring. So if the bar is set at how fast the climate is changing then we are no where near close.

if you want to talk climate change by month, well then it shows you know nothing about climate change...thats like saying its real because its hot out today, or its fake because its cold out.

I believe men contribute to it in a negative way, which speeds up the process.