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Good News Out of Iraq

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by USMC the Almighty, Apr 5, 2007.

  1. ArmChair General

    ArmChair General Well-Known Member

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    The way you fight 'terrorists' is with intelligence, police, and special forces if necessary. You don't invade and occupy other nations to fight terrorism.

    Up until 9/11 the OK City bombing was the largest "terrorist' attack on American Soil. Who should we have invaded to stop that from happening.

    What Roker is saying, is that there will always be 'terrorists'. They are basically criminals. So our response should be to stop a criminal threat. Not to invade and occupy other nations.

    Furthermore, when dealing with a terrorist threat, "Hearts and Minds," meaning propaganda and morale, are more important than military superiority.
     
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    ArmChair General Well-Known Member

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    Even the IRA understood that it was about Hearts and Minds. It took em nearly 20 years to perfect it once they wised up and stopped blowing up their own neighborhoods and focused on London instead.

    They realized that killing innocent Civies wasn't helping their cause. So what'd they do? They started calling in the bomb threats a couple hours before they were supposed to go off.

    That way they could damage the rich peoples infrastructure, but with no bloody bodies for the Brits to post in the newspapers.

    Anyways, your premise is off. PIRA cells were operating in every big English city and the Special Branch just wasn't catching them. As long as the supply of fertilizer held out, the PIRA was sitting pretty. If they'd wanted to, they could have put no warning bombs all over the London transit system and killed tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of commuters. But that wasn't the idea. They were taking it slow and soft, annoying the Brits to death instead.

    The cost to the Brits in money, embarrassment and nerves was just getting out of hand. When Tony Blair was elected in early 1997, he went to Belfast and met with the PIRA leadership. A few months later, after months of schmoozing from Clinton, the PIRA declared a ceasefire.

    In fact the 'next generation' that your talking about were English-raised, so they didn't have that giveaway Belfast accent. They were classic urban guerrilla material: disciplined, young guys who held day jobs and didn't talk. And they'd still be blasting bombs today if Blair and Clinton hadn't talked with em and came to an agreement.
     
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    Thats how we fought terrorism before 9/11. Didnt work out to well. MARK
     
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    Exactly! Although I'm not a big fan of occupation...just knocking the snot out of the dirtbags and then allowing the population to decide if they want to make the same mistake again.

    -Castle
     
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    ArmChair General Well-Known Member

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    Dude. *shakes head* *scoffs*, decides its not worth his time.

    *walks away*
     
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    It didn't work out too well because valid intelligence was ignored and/or discarded and without that, the people with the ability to stop 9/11 from happening didn't have the knowledge to do so.

    How are you supposed to do your job when you're blindfolded and you have two giant wads of chewing gum stuck in your ears?
     
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    USMC the Almighty Well-Known Member

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    He's got a valid point.
     
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    The intelligence was specifically discarded or ignored BECAUSE we treated it as a criminal matter. The FBI prosecuted crimes, it didnt stop them from occuring. The CIA didnt operate domestically and was prevented from sharing info. MARK
     
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    ArmChair General Well-Known Member

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    We live in something called a free society.

    In a free society, there is'nt a whole lot that you can do to prevent crimes/terrorism from happening.

    There is only reaction. Thats how the country works.

    We all make conscious decisions to take that risk to live in a free society.

    I'm willing to take that risk. I feel that its worth it.

    The other alternative, if we all wanna feel really really safe, is to turn our country into a police state.

    “He who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither.”
    - Ben Franklin
     
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