Economy rallying to Obama's advantage

[Stalin]

Happy New Year - especially to all the comrades in the Tea Parties

"..No Republican activist or politician would dare admit it, but - strategically speaking - a recovering US economy is the last thing they wanted. Throughout 2011, as candidates slogged through the first voting districts of Iowa's rural counties and New Hampshire's small towns, they have sustained a relentless attack on Obama's handling of the economy. It was an easy song to sing.

With the official jobless rate stuck near 9 per cent - far higher in reality - Americans have endured a grim hangover from the Great Recession, coupled with embarrassment at Standard & Poor's historic downgrade of American debt that sparked hand-wringing over the country's lost sense of place in the world.

The dire state of the economy also propelled the right-wing Tea Party movement to attack government spending and then the leftist Occupy movement to assail the financial sector. In the middle was the erosion of the American middle class, beset by stagnant wages, cratered house prices and a job market defined by fear - a grim backdrop for any incumbent president trying for a second term.

But now, though hardly roaring forward, the US economy does appear to be improving. Since September, businesses have created an average of 150,000 jobs a month, the jobless rate inching down to sit at 8.6 per cent. Some forecasters believe the economy could grow 3 per cent in the fourth quarter of 2011, and one recent survey of top economists predicted a 2.4 per cent growth rate for 2012.

Though house prices are still dropping, house sales are rising and so is construction of new homes. Consumer confidence is also steadily recovering, all leading to a shift in perception that can only alleviate some of Obama's worst fears. . Now even Republicans admit the economic ground on which the 2012 campaign will be fought is shifting away from them. "I think [Obama] might be feeling a little better today than even four or five weeks ago," said Patrick Griffin, a political scientist and Republican strategist who has worked for presidential candidate Mitt Romney and former President George W. Bush.

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10776235

Comrade Stalin

 

[Texas_tea]

LMAO .... more like mainstream media BS. Only brainless liberals and other liberal news outlets read the BS spin article like the one you quoted by Paul Harris. And, moreover, only an out of touch IDIOT would believe this opinion page from the NZ Herald. Nice try, but mainstream America who are living and operating in this economy everyday will never buy this bill of goods from some liberal pundit in New Zealand!

 

[dogtowner]

One has to ignore quite a lot to think that there are any sort of positives to be seen.

 

[Stalin]

If you persist in the use of word that has an ambiguous meaning, your posture becomes ambiguous.

The New Zealand Herald is a conservative newspaper.

Comrade Stalin

 

[Stalin]

LMAO .... more like mainstream media BS. Only brainless liberals and other liberal news outlets read the BS spin article like the one you quoted by Paul Harris. And, moreover, only an out of touch IDIOT would believe this opinion page from the NZ Herald. Nice try, but mainstream America who are living and operating in this economy everyday will never buy this bill of goods from some liberal pundit in New Zealand!

Ad hominem logical fallacy alert

Do better.

Comrade Stalin

 

[Stalin]

... spin article ...

Mysteriously, fox news shares this bad news for neanderthal compulsive obama-haters.

Unless of course, you are one of those people who lump foxnews in with the ill-named "lib media".

If so, from where do you get your "true" information

"..An improving job outlook helped the Consumer Confidence Index soar to the highest level since April and near a post-recession peak, according to a monthly survey by The Conference Board.

It marked the second straight monthly surge and coincided with what's wrapping up to be decent spending for the holiday shopping season.

The rise in confidence jibes with a better outlook for the overall economy. According to an Associated Press poll of three dozen private, corporate and academic economists, the U.S. economy will grow faster in 2012 — if isn't derailed by upheavals in Europe.

But confidence is still far below what's typically seen in a healthy economy. And Americans' mood could sour again if they start to feel more nervous if the debt crisis in Europe deepens and spreads to the U.S. On top of that, shoppers still face big obstacles — higher costs on household basics and a still-slumping housing market.

"This is encouraging. It's good to be talking about improvement," said Mark Vitner, an economist at Wells Fargo. "But there is still a lot of room for trouble."

The New York-based Conference Board said Tuesday that its Consumer Confidence Index rose almost 10 points to 64.5 in December, up from a revised 55.2 in November. Analysts had expected 59. The level is close to the post-recession peak of 72, reached in February.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/27/consumer-confidence-index-surges-in-december/#ixzz1iF1ZuT61

Comrade Stalin

 

[Texas_tea]

Mysteriously, fox news shares this bad news for neanderthal compulsive obama-haters.

Not "neanderthal compulsive obama-haters" .... that would be "homo sapien Marxist haters" or in reality more like Freedom Loving Americans!!! And, I did not mention Fox News nor dispute the facts in the article you posted, only the spin that went with it. Only far out liberals and out of touch socialist elitist believe that this administration is anything other than destructive to America's economy, our Freedoms and Liberties and the American way of life! I grow weary of disputing the obvious with liberals like you, especially someone that uses a username and avatar of a communist psycho murderer who was responsible for the death of over 3 million human beings!

 

[Stalin]

So you are against the US economy recovering and growing ?

Comrade Stalin

 

[dogtowner]

So you are against the US economy recovering and growing ?

Comrade Stalin

Would like nothing more but not going to happen with Obama in the White House.

 

[Openmind]

LMAO .... more like mainstream media BS. Only brainless liberals and other liberal news outlets read the BS spin article like the one you quoted by Paul Harris. And, moreover, only an out of touch IDIOT would believe this opinion page from the NZ Herald. Nice try, but mainstream America who are living and operating in this economy everyday will never buy this bill of goods from some liberal pundit in New Zealand!

It might be the opinion of mainstream media. . .but then again, your opinion comes straight from Right Wing Media. . which is obviously a lot more biased than Main stream.
I would also advise you to stop using insults. I, for one, am very tired of those direct insult that, because they "appear" to be directed to a "group" of people can be stated as "not personal," when we all know full well that they intent to be addressed directly to the poster.
The "mainstrem America where I live and operate in this economy everyday" is clearly tired of the non-stop fearmongering spewed by Fox and the Right in an attempt to make sheep believe that Obama has done nothing positive for the economy.

So, your comment about "only an out of touch IDIOT" seems to be little more than projection. You see. . .you are not looking through a window. . .it is actually a mirror!

 

[dogtowner]

quote="Openmind, post: 179177, member: 3480"] Obama has done nothing positive for the economy.[/quote]

measurable results demonstrate this.all the administration can claim (and never prove) is how much worse it might have been. curiously, the collapse abated a bit when the GOP took the house.

 

[Openmind]

quote="Openmind, post: 179177, member: 3480"] Obama has done nothing positive for the economy.

measurable results demonstrate this.all the administration can claim (and never prove) is how much worse it might have been. curiously, the collapse abated a bit when the GOP took the house.[/quote]

When you want to quote my words, would you please use the FULL quote IN CONTEXT, rather than picking the words that seem to support or fit your needs?

This is what I said: "in an attempt to make sheep believe that Obama has done nothing positive for the economy."
I would say that it says EXACTLY the opposite of what you tried to quote me as saying.
Not very honest, but it probably would work if you have little faith in the intelligence of people in this forum. I hope and trust that most people are are able to read for comprehension, rather than to take YOUR spin!

Obviously it is difficult to demonstrate a "false negative" especially for people who know litte about economics and who are addicted to the brainwashing spins of Fox News and Limbaugh.
And since the GOP leading Congress has done NOTHING, but put more barrier to improving the economy, and has (by the own words of their leaders) for only focus to "make Obama fail," it certainly has not contributed to the improvement in economic climate!
In fact, one only has to look at the EVER decreasing approval rating (6% in the last polls) of the Congress to know that the "big hopes" of 2010 elections are fading very quickly!
But, obviously you can keep your illusions. I have always found that it is a lot more useful to face reality directly, especially if one wants to change that reality!
If one believes that everything is working in their favor. . .they are missing the boat, and lose a big advantage.

 

[dogtowner]

measurable results demonstrate this.all the administration can claim (and never prove) is how much worse it might have been. curiously, the collapse abated a bit when the GOP took the house.

When you want to quote my words, would you please use the FULL quote IN CONTEXT, rather than picking the words that seem to support or fit your needs?

This is what I said: "in an attempt to make sheep believe that Obama has done nothing positive for the economy."
I would say that it says EXACTLY the opposite of what you tried to quote me as saying.
Not very honest, but it probably would work if you have little faith in the intelligence of people in this forum. I hope and trust that most people are are able to read for comprehension, rather than to take YOUR spin!

Obviously it is difficult to demonstrate a "false negative" especially for people who know litte about economics and who are addicted to the brainwashing spins of Fox News and Limbaugh.
And since the GOP leading Congress has done NOTHING, but put more barrier to improving the economy, and has (by the own words of their leaders) for only focus to "make Obama fail," it certainly has not contributed to the improvement in economic climate!
In fact, one only has to look at the EVER decreasing approval rating (6% in the last polls) of the Congress to know that the "big hopes" of 2010 elections are fading very quickly!
But, obviously you can keep your illusions. I have always found that it is a lot more useful to face reality directly, especially if one wants to change that reality!
If one believes that everything is working in their favor. . .they are missing the boat, and lose a big advantage.

Obama had it all his own way for two years and his plan failed. The GOP has managed to avoid soe of the continuation of failed policy and thank goodness for that. The facts are the facts, we need a different plan because thisw one is not working.

 

[Openmind]

Obama had it all his own way for two years and his plan failed. The GOP has managed to avoid soe of the continuation of failed policy and thank goodness for that. The facts are the facts, we need a different plan because thisw one is not working.

Obama had it all his own way for two years and his plan failed. The GOP has managed to avoid soe of the continuation of failed policy and thank goodness for that. The facts are the facts, we need a different plan because thisw one is not working.

Obama never had it "all his own way!" The GOP used filibuster more often in those two years than anyone in the last 10! You know that, everyone knows that!
And the GOP has done NOTHING since they got the majority. . . this is why their approval rating went down by about 10 points since they became the house majority!
You are correct one one point: the facts are the facts, and Obama has done a great job keeping us out of a depression and pulling us out (slowly, that I will admit) out of the worse recession since the great depression.
Why don't you once in awhile look at FACTS, not just the "massaged illusions" spewed by Fox!
Or better yet. . .keep on believing in your silly tea party newbie. . .who have done nothing except weaken the House speaker. . .becaues they didn't ONLY get uncompromising with Obama. . .they even got uncompromising (and silly) with their own House leader!

Good job! Great approval rating!

 

[dogtowner]

Obama never had it "all his own way!" The GOP used filibuster more often in those two years than anyone in the last 10! You know that, everyone knows that!
And the GOP has done NOTHING since they got the majority. . . this is why their approval rating went down by about 10 points since they became the house majority!
You are correct one one point: the facts are the facts, and Obama has done a great job keeping us out of a depression and pulling us out (slowly, that I will admit) out of the worse recession since the great depression.
Why don't you once in awhile look at FACTS, not just the "massaged illusions" spewed by Fox!
Or better yet. . .keep on believing in your silly tea party newbie. . .who have done nothing except weaken the House speaker. . .becaues they didn't ONLY get uncompromising with Obama. . .they even got uncompromising (and silly) with their own House leader!

Good job! Great approval rating!

the GOP has a majority in one side of Congress and they've sent at least 25 bills to the Senate that have been totally ignored. I see the facts every day across many media (with their own particular spin) and its abundantly obvious the sort of job Obama has done. He had no plan, his advisers had no plan and were routinely shown to be in over their heads. They opted for the wrong dem icon, FDR, when they should have emulated the successful JFK.