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Donkeys have some hard decisions to make

Discussion in 'Elections & Political Parties' started by dogtowner, Nov 13, 2016.

  1. grumpy

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    Thomas Jefferson was a genius , but what he said is irrelevant today''

    If we taxed the Rich 90% of their income, we wouldn't even put a dent in our debt. Maybe a scratch ..No matter what our politicians promise us, the hammer is always brought down on the middle class.
    The greatest period of economic growth in American history was during a time when there was absolutely no federal income tax? Between the end of the Civil War and 1913, there was an explosion of economic activity in the United States unlike anything ever seen before or since. Unfortunately, a federal income tax was instituted in 1913.

    by Thomas R. Eddlem...

    Prior to ratification of the 16th (income tax) Amendment in February 1913, the federal government managed its few constitutional responsibilities without an income tax, except during the Civil War period. During peacetime, it did so largely — or even entirely — on import taxes called “tariffs.” Congress could afford to run the federal government on tariffs alone because federal responsibilities did not include welfare programs, agricultural subsidies, or social insurance programs like Social Security or Medicare. After the Civil War, tariff revenues sometimes suffered under a protectionist policy ushered in by the Republican Party that supplemented federal income via excises on alcohol, tobacco, and inheritances. But before the war, the need for tariff revenue to finance the federal government generally kept the tariff at reasonable levels. During wartime throughout early American history, the Founding Fathers were able to raise additional revenue employing a different method of direct taxation authorized by the U.S. Constitution prior to the 16th Amendment. These alternative taxing methods gave the young American nation embarrassing peacetime budget surpluses that several times came close to paying off the national debt.
     
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    I don't think I was referring to ending the national debt. Where did you get that at?

    As to Jefferson, I was referring more to these comments:

    "But the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind."

    "Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."

    Then there is this:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business...ican-economic-history-told-in-1-graph/261503/
     
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    You can rant all you want, and change the subject, but still Obama's approval rating is 57% which is 4 times higher than the 14% of the repub congress.
     
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    Of course people like their own reps. They always represent their state with pork, but they miserably fail when they squabble in a group in congress.
     
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    I think that's what i said.. He made a statement about how popular Obama is an how hated Congress is. I was making the point they are pretty popular with their own.. As far as squabbling, they are suppose to have different opinions..
     
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    And if he were running for anything it would matter. Pointing out that his term in office will have produced nothing is hardly ranting.
     
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    It's more than having different opinions. It's being partisan to the point that Congress is dysfunctional and unable to come up with a compromise that helps the nation more than the party.
     
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    On things that matter, I want my Congressman to be hard headed to the point of not giving in.. But I agree sometimes you have to give a little to get a little..
     
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    And then there is this..http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29861648/...ll/t/how-tax-burden-has-changed/#.WEBNTLIrKUk I agree with most of this , But how far should we go to tax the creators of jobs?
     
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    Politics is the art of compromise.

    Lately, it seems to be a lost art.
     
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    In your OP you said,
    "As BO finds himself needing to turn his farewell foreign victory tour into a save face campaign"
    All I'm saying is that he doesn't have to "save face." He has a majority approval. I was never arguing whether it mattered or not.
     
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    Exactly. It seems that compromise is a bad word to them.
     
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    And all am saying is that approval rating are a meaningless metric for someone no longer in politics. Legacy is all that remains and his ain't looking good.
     
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    If that which the other side of the aisle wants has demonstrated it cannot work, why would you compromise ?
     
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