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Does Bush care about children?

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  1. Popeye

    Popeye Well-Known Member

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    Last Updated: Wednesday, 3 October 2007, 14:27 GMT 15:27 UK

    Bush vetoes child health care bill
    Breaking news
    US President George W Bush has vetoed a bill to expand a children's health care insurance scheme, after it was passed with a large majority in the Senate.

    Mr Bush argues it takes the program beyond its original purpose of insuring children from low-income families.

    The vetoed bill proposed higher tobacco taxes to provide an extra $35bn (£17bn) to insure some 10 million children.

    Children's health insurance is set to be a campaign issue in next year's elections, analysts say.

    Eighteen Republican senators joined Democrats last week in passing the legislation by a 67-29 vote.

    But the House of Representatives, which approved the bill by 265-159, was well short of the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.
     
  2. Popeye

    Popeye Well-Known Member

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    The preceding was brought to you with this question. Why does Bush care more about smokers and the tobacco industry than children?
     
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    ArmChair General Well-Known Member

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    I have an idea, lower the smoking age to 18 months and give tax breaks to every kid that buys gas.
     
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    Several things, this wasnt necessarily a great piece of legislation. I am far from a conservative when it comes to politics. But the actual bill did come in at a very high cost and unless it was a move towards universal health care, it did include many people who could otherwise probably afford thier own health insurance. But it might be wise to look at the congressional voting record to see how your own member of congress voted on the issue. It seems there are about 40 members who should be called out as well at the very least to get the override taken care of. To answer your question...Yes he does care more about big business than the average kid. Kids dont vote, kids dont make campaign contributions. Big tobacco on the otherhand...
     
  5. gtanner79

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    Child Health Care issue has many sides

    Yes, this particular bill is a great example of how the press can choose things it wants to discuss. I happened to read a few articles on this veto until I stumbled upon one hiding between the lines on MSNBC.

    The bill would extend health care to families of four that are 400% above the poverty line (currently somewhere around $20,000 for a family of four). Granted - when you hear "Bush denies health care to millions of children" that sounds awful. But when you hear "Bush denies health care to a family of four that makes four times the poverty level" it sounds like there's more to discuss.

    I don't really have a side on this issue - it actually seems too thick for me just yet - but what a hot button this has become due to vague reporting by the press. Why can't we (the public) just get all the info we need to develop a clear and solid opinion on an issue? Why do we have to be "used" essentially by the press?

    By the by, if you haven't heard yet - there are some great websites out there that pick apart the inconsistencies in news reporting and politician-speak. FactCheck.org is a good one, as is Politifact.com. I also recommend the Washington Post's Fact Checker.
     
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    Popeye Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Bush's veto has brought out some opponents not bargained for.
     
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    Irishone21 Well-Known Member

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    Bush perplexes me sometimes... I know deep down, he is a good guy.
     
  8. SW85

    SW85 Well-Known Member

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    Saddling children with a massive and unsustainable entitlement program for upper-middle-class yuppies that neither need nor deserve it is not doing any good for them. They won't thank us for it in the long run.

    That this program is supposedly going to be paid for by cigarette taxes(which, as no one here seems able to grasp, are massively regressive) means families of six with an income of like $40,000 a year will be paying for health care for families of two with an income of $70,000 a year.

    The fact is that the Dems have made a horrible case for the bill. They failed to dig up even a single genuine sob story in support of it.
     
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    Bunz Well-Known Member

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    I would agree the legislation wasnt much thought out, little of it actually is though. More a political manuever that cripples DC through partisan ship rather than what is right for the country, compounded from it being fully into the election cycle.
     
  10. Mr. Shaman

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    Yeah.....I'm sure the health-care insurance-companies will vouch for his $ainthood. :rolleyes:
     
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