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China is now a major importer of coal

Discussion in 'Asian Politics' started by PLC1, Nov 22, 2010.

  1. Gipper

    Gipper Well-Known Member

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    See this is the thing. You silly warmers will not accept the truth even when its put in front of you. I believe that is some form of mental illness.

    Did you not read this in my post? "...researchers from the University of California, Santa Barbara and Texas A&M University report that methane gas concentrations in the Gulf of Mexico..." This disproves wacky warmist claims that YOU and POCKETS believed about the Siberian methane risk. You bought a lie and now try to cover up with more lies.

    The great quotes apply directly to silly warmers. When will they ever learn?

    And, the blog is a great. It is written by Dr. John Ray. It would do you good to learn from him. And, I recommend that everyone at the HOP spend time reading his blogs.

     
  2. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    Oh, yes, you nailed it. The silly warmers keep listening to those nerdy climatologists with their PhD's and all, instead of the bloggers and pundits who can see the real truth. That just has to be a form of mental illness. How could they be so blind?

    Oh, yes, it is now proven! The methane from the oil spill dissipated, and that proves beyond a doubt that global warming is a myth. You can read it all in the totally unbiased and peer reviewed scientific publication you linked to. You have me convinced.
     
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    I think the biggest sustainability issue is pollution, in general. People can debate global warming all they want and say the data is inconclusive, but the vast majority of Americans have mercury in their tissue and teflon in their blood, not to mention all kinds of other crap. Most of our lakes and rivers are unfishable.

    But, you go back to the Club of Rome studies in the 70's and "The Population Bomb" from the 60's, and all anyone ever wants to do is argue about whether we have the ability to feed everyone, as though that is THE issue. Or how long fossile fuels will last.

    Well, the biggest issue, IMO, is pollution. Now, if you want to say that CO2 is pollution, and then put global warming under the pollution category, that's fine. However, the pollution problem is much bigger than global warming alone, so, if global warming should somehow turn out to be a non-issue, that doesn't change anything, IMO. Of all the pollution problems, that is the one where the data is the most inconclusive, and to focus exclusively on it is to distract attention from all the other forms that are very well documented.

    regards
    Doug
     
  4. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, pollution overall is a bigger issue than global warming. Actually pollution and global warming are two different things. Calling CO2 a "pollutant" is much like calling water a pollutant. Both occur naturally, both are necessary for life, but both can cause problems when there is too much of it.

    Global warming is quite unlikely to be a "non issue" however. It may not be the impending disaster that Al Gore says it is, but it is pretty certain to cause some changes and challenges for us humans. It could provide some opportunities, too, as competition for the use of the suddenly ice free parts of the Arctic demonstrate.
     
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    "Well, I guess there IS one other possibility - The sun could rise in the North and Set in the South - or vice versa. That would certainly provide us a much different climate - rotation at right angles to orbit. 'Course that's silly, now, isn't it ?"

    I guess you haven't heard: some people in this world are quite preoccupied with the precession of the earth's axis of rotation. Psychic Sylvia Brown comes to mind as one such outspoken prophet of gyroscopic doom. Don't know exactly how human beings could be accused of causing this, and I don't think dear ol' Sylvia claims that to be the case, but I'm sure it won't be long before the liberals blame that, too, on a vast right-wing conspiracy.

    'Course, like most dark clouds, it has its silver lining: if all the nuttiness in the world can be attributed to repressed tilt guilt, then it might well be the case that liberalism is hitting its zenith - if you'll pardon the pun - and, as we enter the waning gibbous phase of this metaphysical moroseness, there is the glimmer of hope that we won't see such a concentration of epistemological crackpottery for another 26,000 years.

    Ah, one can dream....

    Doug
     
  6. Aus22

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    China has always been the major importer of Australian coal. They do not have enough coal deposits of their own for their rapid industrialization.
     
  7. nobull

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    Aus22..Great post..I had to look that up..you were right..lol

    best regards
    doug
     
  8. Gipper

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    Yes and guess who in the USA wants to prevent the exporting of coal to China? You guessed it, those whacky liberals.

    We have a huge trade deficit with China and we have an unemployment problem. Jobs and exports would result if we could mine coal and sell it to China. But, the foolish libs think this is an awful idea because their minds are fogged by the belief in a hoax.

    Crazy!
     
  9. dahermit

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    Now hat could be wrong with the U.S. mining coal and shipping it to China? It would be so good for the people living in coal country.

    http://www.mountainjusticesummer.org/facts/steps.php
     
  10. Dr.Who

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    There is nothing to fear from coal in terms of it warming the planet and causing problems. Largely, because global warming is a fictitious threat.

    But burning coal emits large amounts of bad stuff into the air that has been causing real damage to the food chain for many years already. Everytime you hear that pregnant woman should not eat fish remember that the worlds most abundant protein source (next to bugs) is all contaminated with mercury and that mercury is not only harmful to pregnant women.

    Mercury and sulphur pollution are not controversial. Everyone agrees it is a serious problem. We could focus on what we agree on and collect more evidence on what is controversial.

    Speaking of bugs...anyone want to start eating bugs as a major part of your diet because pollution gets out of control? Are bugs contaminated with mercury?
     
  11. dahermit

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    It is obvious that you did not bother opening/reading the link.
     
  12. Aus22

    Aus22 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Doug. I am surprise that the Americans did not know this. WE depend on China to sell our coal and iron ore.I doubt it the small imports from the USA would have much effect.
    While there is some opposition to burning coal from our powrful Greens, nobody here is opposed to exports.
     
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    I skimmed it initially and now I have read it more slowly.

    I see nothing about my statments I would change.

    Global warming is still overblown.
    Coal still pollutes.
     
  14. dahermit

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    You have an ingenious grasp of the perfectly obvious.
     
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