California, Michigan - Examples of how bigger government doesn't work

[chestnut]

Obama's administration keeps on triying to grow government. More more more.



But lets look at just 2 (and there are more) of the states that has done this.

Michigan and California.

If it didn't work there, than why are we following the smae example.

More unions, more welfare, more govt jobs. That will not help

It will improve the dems chances in keeping democratic whitehouse and congress, but it will not improve the economy.

Now the government says that it needs to create more demand.
How in the heck can the government create demand.
It's not that there is no demand, it is that people who have demands, have no extra money.

So what, will the government hand out money. What will that solve.

 

[PLC1]

Get used to it. The federal government has been expanding for years. It is nothing new.

And no, it doesn't work.

The federal budget went from 1.7 trillion in '99 to 2.9 just before that $700 billion bailout that was passed just before the election, and just before the second 789 B bailout. Add it all up, and the federal budget has doubled.

Someone is putting Miracle Grow in Washington, and we need Roundup instead.

We need more of these guys. Neither the Republican nor the Democratic Parties want limited government.

How do you plan to pay your $30,891.15?

Maybe take out a mortgage on your house?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Obama's administration keeps on triying to grow government. More more more.



But lets look at just 2 (and there are more) of the states that has done this.

Michigan and California.

If it didn't work there, than why are we following the smae example.

More unions, more welfare, more govt jobs.

Gee.....I'm convinced.

How could anyone deny all of the details you've provided.

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[Mr. Shaman]

"For the Bush administration, saving energy was not only a fool's game — it was a threat to the American way of life. "Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue," former vice president Dick Cheney declared in 2001, "but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy."

In the world of politics, everyone knew exactly whom Cheney was mocking: California. During the oil crisis of the 1970s, the state was one of the first to recognize that promoting blind consumption of energy was a dangerous idea. So California started experimenting with policies designed to increase energy efficiency and force utilities to buy more electricity from renewable sources. Now, with Barack Obama in the White House, the state may turn out to be the template for a new national energy policy. California produces climate-warming pollution at half the national rate, leads America in solar-energy production and ranks second in wind energy. But its most stunning achievement is in the very area that Cheney ridiculed: Over the past three decades, while per capita electricity usage in America grew by more than 50 percent, California's consumption stayed flat, even while the state's economy doubled. "California is proof that you don't need to choose between growth and sustainability," says David Roland-Holst, a resource economist at UC Berkeley.

Pushing efficiency also creates jobs. All told, California's policies have created an estimated 1.5 million new jobs, with a combined payroll of $45 billion. These are not traditional "green jobs" — installing solar panels, erecting wind turbines. These are jobs created by the simple fact that people have more money to spend on things other than energy bills. "When people save money on energy, they spend it outside the carbon supply chain, on local goods and services," says Roland-Holst. "These are bedrock jobs that can't be outsourced."

"What has happened in California is all about the power of thinking differently," says Daniel Dudek, the chief economist for the Environmental Defense Fund. "If you're looking for a road map to the future of energy in hard times, this is it."

Wanna try, again, chestnut??

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[chestnut]

Shaman. Here ya go.
http://newsblaze.com/story/20080124044344tsop.nb/topstory.html

Just remember Shaman. No matter how you slice it and dice it, when government grows the money has to come from somewhere to pay for that growth.

Just like in California, the spending is out of control and they can't collect enough. Raising taxes is not the fix. The fix is cut spending. Cut back. One of California's biggest problems is the over 30 billion dollars spent on illegals. That is crushing the state. Yet, I don't see Obama standing up and saying that he is not for amnesty.

Obama needs to recognize this. He can't spend his way out of this. If he could we would have seen signs of improvement. But we haven't and we won't.

Spending does not stimulate small business which account for over 90% of new jobs. As for small business, there were almost no realy benefits in the steal-from-us bill that actually incetivised small business to create more jobs and grow.

Instead Obama says he want to tax small business (200k - 250K) owners. These are the same people that have propped up the US economy for so many years.