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Barack Obama tapped Trump’s phones

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by The Scotsman, Mar 6, 2017.

  1. Openmind

    Openmind Well-Known Member

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    You know NOTHING about healthcare, real health care, not "big money gets you the best care!" ACA is not perfect, but it is a lot better than what existed prior to it. . .and it is hugely better than what Ryan and Trump want to put in place. When you pay $14,000 a year for YOUR coverage, instead that the current $1,250. . .you may or may not pay for your daughter! And by then, she may not "qualify" for any healthcare, since she will have a pre-existing condition!

    You are completely brainwashed! I understand that, as a Trump supporter, you may want to give him a chance to do something good. . .I wish he did also!

    But face it, until now, he has done NOTHING positive for anyone, except for billionaires and some millionaires. He has destroyed the faith of many, even among his own supporters, and it is just the beginning! At least, be honest enough with yourself to differentiate between what is positive and negative, that would demonstrate some guts, some intelligence! As Trump himself said during his campaign (and this should have given everyone a hint!): "If I stood in the middle of the street with a gun and shot someone, my supporters would still support me!" SICK!
     
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    Openmind Well-Known Member

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    YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN! You have NEVER experience "single payer" healthcare, you are just spewing negative propaganda. And there are many ways to deal with "single payer: The Belgian way is to have the government through social insurance pay for the basic care of EVERYONE, and work with private industry (called Mutuelle in Belgium) to provide the "extras" (i.e., private rooms in hospital, increased reimbursement to specialists, etc. . .). NO ONE, not even a 93 year old man, is refused ANY care, unless there is a danger to his life greater than the benefit of a specific intervention (i.e., my 93 year old brother in law had a problem with oversized prostate that provoked regular difficulty with urination. The "easy" solution would be prostate surgery, but because it was feared that his heart would not support the anaesthesia, they treated him with a combination of medication and non-invasive surgery. He is today doing very well and has no more problems).

    Sure, we pay more taxes. . .but our tax money doesn't go to "armements" that KILL others. . .it goes to care for the people in this country. . .and even those around the world, as our medical schools provide enough graduates that we can send doctors abroad to assist when needed!

    Stop talking about what you do not know!
     
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    Yes, we really need to give more money to the wealthy, and pay for it by cutting programs that help the poor. That is the "christian" way:

    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/03/15/winners-losers-trump-budget/

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-28/trump-s-child-care-plan-for-the-rich

    https://thehillnews.net/news/Donald-Trump-Admits-His-Health-Plan-Will-Hurt-His-Supporters/

    You might try to educate your self :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: and read this:

    https://www.publicintegrity.org/201...ofit-health-insurance-plans-be-real-reformers
     
  4. grumpy

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    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    Yes Grumpy, better to leave it blank then show off your idiocy once again. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
     
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  6. Openmind

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    Great answer, Grumpy!

    By the way. . .have you heard the news yet? THERE WAS NO WIRE tapping of Trump's phone, Trump's tower, or anything else by President Obama or anyone else related.

    Or, are the FBI, the NSA and most of the GOP covering up for Obama even now?

    Can you admit that your hero lied in this case at least?
     
  7. grumpy

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    You need to read my post, I have never believed Obama wire taped Trump..Now working thru the Britts, I still believe that might be true.. We all know a few countries signed an agreement that we wouldn't do it.. BUT OBAMA DID, with Germany..
     
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    Not so fast! It was alleged (by Snowden) that Obama ADMINISTRATION did, and it almost created an international incident. However, it was NEVER proven, and AFTER INVESTIGATION, Germany concluded that there was no evidence of it!
    Get your story straight!

    "Germany investigated the claim of eavesdropping, and dropped the investigation in 2015 after saying it found no evidence that would stand up in court, The Guardian reports."

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/17/f...ancellor-angela-merkel-in-2010/#ixzz4btqjXcUn
     
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    NSA hears all. ALL. We are all tapped just a question of what they do with it.
     
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    Yep. . .are you wearing your tin foil hat today?
     
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    Kinda like the no fire no smoking gun on Trump and the Russians yet, as a matter of fact one of the intelligence agencies said not even a spark..
    Kinda like The alleged connection between Trump and Russia, investigation still going on..
    So, Meanwhile, Germany's Green and Left parties have rallied to bring Snowden to Berlin (from Moscow) to furnish evidence about NSA machinations. But on that Friday, Germany’s constitutional court ruled against them. The German government maintained that Snowden's presence in Germany could be detrimental to relationships with the U.S. The way I see it, it is highly unlikely Snowden told the truth about everything but this.. I'm sure Snowden would love to visit Germany..

    What’s behind this sudden new friendliness? Possibly, it will require a new Snowden to find out.
     
  12. The Scotsman

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    still perpetuating the myth
     
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    President Trump faces his hardest truth: He was wrong

    ....but what's even more mindboggling is that he's pushed the Whitehouse spin machine into defending his absurd postion.
     
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    I didn't say it was true, Let me ask you something.. Do you think Obama was listening to Merkel?
     
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    The NSA probably was... but...
    no proof....yet....
     
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