Barack Obama tapped Trump’s phones

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dogtowner said:
BO invented the so called Arab spring
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Invented? Really? Did he?

The Tunisian Revolution, which started the Arab spring, was an uprise of the people in Tunisia because of high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, lack of freedom of speech. The uprise started when a man set himself on fire as a protest and the police respoded heavy-handed to peaceful marchers.

Would you have preferred if the corrupt dictator had stayed in office?
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
Control of both Houses. They gained control of the Congress in 2010.

I was watching C-Span yesterday, and they were covering the Republican debate on healthcare, and the Chairman, Greg Walden from Oregon, brought up the Republican Medicare Part D program, and what a success it is. Problem is he forgot to mention what a screwed up mess it was when first introduced as Boehner admitted at the time. What he "forgot" was that, unlike the Republicans, the Democrats worked with the Republicans to fix the problems, and hen the program was a success. And he forgot to mention how the premiums are going up 20% a year, and have been for the past 10 years.

But hey, while they have refused to work with Democrats for the past 10 years, they now want to work together, and then they will claim success ignoring that the Democrats worked with them. And they will make false claims about the success as if the right wing was the only one to save the country, and they need to be in power.
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Sad, but true.. Both parties are the same in that respect..
 
dogtowner said:
Check your calender son. BO invented the so called Arab spring long after W rode offv into the sunset
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Reality is never your strong suit. Stick to your fantasies, and your alternative reality like your god Trump.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/17/143897126/the-arab-spring-a-year-of-revolution

"A year ago (note: 2010), 26-year-old Mohamed Bouazizi was getting ready to sell fruits and vegetables in the rural town of Sidi Bouzid, Tunisia.

Bouazizi was the breadwinner for his widowed mother and six siblings, but he didn't have a permit to sell the goods. When the police asked Bouazizi to hand over his wooden cart, he refused and a policewoman allegedly slapped him.

Angered after being publicly humiliated, Bouazizi marched in front of a government building and set himself on fire.

His act of desperation resonated immediately with others in the town. Protests began that day in Sidi Bouzid, captured by cellphone cameras and shared on the Internet.

Within days, protests started popping up across the country, calling upon President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and his regime to step down. About a month later, he fled.

The momentum in Tunisia set off uprisings across the Middle East that became known as the Arab Spring. A year after the young Tunisian became a martyr, where does the Arab world stand on demands for democracy?
 
Walter said:
Invented? Really? Did he?

The Tunisian Revolution, which started the Arab spring, was an uprise of the people in Tunisia because of high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, lack of freedom of speech. The uprise started when a man set himself on fire as a protest and the police respoded heavy-handed to peaceful marchers.

Would you have preferred if the corrupt dictator had stayed in office?
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And students fueled antiwar in the 60s.
Keep dreaming. Do you really think a bunch of stoned kids could organize things like that. KGB.
 
Old_Trapper70 said:
Reality is never your strong suit. Stick to your fantasies, and your alternative reality like your god Trump.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/17/143897126/the-arab-spring-a-year-of-revolution

"A year ago (note: 2010), 26-year-old Mohamed Bouazizi was getting ready to sell fruits and vegetables in the rural town of Sidi Bouzid, Tunisia.

Bouazizi was the breadwinner for his widowed mother and six siblings, but he didn't have a permit to sell the goods. When the police asked Bouazizi to hand over his wooden cart, he refused and a policewoman allegedly slapped him.

Angered after being publicly humiliated, Bouazizi marched in front of a government building and set himself on fire.

His act of desperation resonated immediately with others in the town. Protests began that day in Sidi Bouzid, captured by cellphone cameras and shared on the Internet.

Within days, protests started popping up across the country, calling upon President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and his regime to step down. About a month later, he fled.

The momentum in Tunisia set off uprisings across the Middle East that became known as the Arab Spring. A year after the young Tunisian became a martyr, where does the Arab world stand on demands for democracy?
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https://clarionproject.org/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring/
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/u...a-harsh-test-for-obamas-diplomatic-skill.html
 
Dogtowner. If anthing Obama could be acuse of not changing Bush policies. All he did was withdraw some troops. In the end American invention failed and the Arabs do nt want a liberal democracy but a moderate Moslem state. It would be better if the USA kept out.
 
dogtowner said:
BO invented the so called Arab spring long after W rode off into the sunset
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I tend to agree... but to the extent that it is not just the Obama regime but the continuation (or continuation by ommission) by Obama of a rather doubtful policy founded back in the 1990s when the US went to war in Iraq to stop Iraq gaining and extending its control of the Kuwaiti oil fields and their ambitions in Saudi for their oil and the religious sites of Mecca and Medina. Coupled with that is the US hang-up with Israel and the somewhat myopic approach to the complex interactions within the region revolving around Palestine/Iran/Egypt etc. The "Arab-Spring" could be viewed as a culmination in many factors mostly a shift in perspective; if you take the muddled over-the-horizon control of the middle east (US desire to deny an hegemony to any one particular state or para-spatial group) to an Asia-pacific/china centric. In 2009 Obama made a speech in Cairo and proclaimed his desire to reorientate policy back to the middle-east but failed to do so.


Walter said:
The Tunisian Revolution, which started the Arab spring, was an uprise of the people in Tunisia because of high unemployment, food inflation, corruption, lack of freedom of speech. The uprise started when a man set himself on fire as a protest and the police responded heavy-handed to peaceful marchers.
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I tend to disagree. Whist this may have been a catalyst it is certainly not a reason for the uprising. I would contend it was a just symptom of a wider and deeper set of reasons as a result of a lack of coherent structural policy by not only the US but the "western world" in general. I think it’s like saying that Lech Wałęsa was the reason for the fall of the Warsaw Pact - he was one of the catalysts but not the reason.
 
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Aus22 said:
Dogtowner. If anthing Obama could be acuse of not changing Bush policies. All he did was withdraw some troops. In the end American invention failed and the Arabs do nt want a liberal democracy but a moderate Moslem state. It would be better if the USA kept out.
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Yes, it would have been.
 
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grumpy said:
FACT CHECK: Yes, Obama Could Have Used British To Wiretap Trump....http://theresurgent.com/fact-check-yes-obama-could-have-used-british-to-wiretap-trump/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._service_to_spy_on_trump_during_campaign.html
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"Could have????" Well. . .Trump and co had a whole week to present evidences. . .and they got NOTHING. . .had to back track and ask for an "extension" to produce anything at all. . .
In the mean time, they changed their tune, and it is no longer "Obama wiretapped my tower," but it is "someone might have spied on the Trump tower. . !" and it could be through a microwave!

So funny!
 
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