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Apocalypse now?' What Europe's media thought of the Trump speech

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by PLC1, Jul 23, 2016.

  1. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    Not sarcasm, just the sadness of reality when the Oligarchs gain control.
     
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    You should have said that to Bush! But you did support the war in Iraq!
     
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    Australia has a minimum wage for 100 years. Trump can introduce this with the support of congress.
    Trump can not rescue every industry but he can give jobs to people in rust belt states. This might require more education.
     
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    Most, if not all, industrialized countries have a minimum wage that works quite well. Trump, and those like him, that profit from the "slave labor" of foreign countries are not interested in paying a wage that can actually support a family. And Trump cannot save any industry since he cannot control the advances in technology. And the vast majority of the working class are not interested in sitting behind a desk all day pushing a pencil, or punching in numbers on a keyboard.


    I read a book one time, can't remember the name, where the technocrats controlled the economy, and the common person was employed as bartenders, maintenance people, the military, etc. The end of the story was a rebellion by the common people, and war.
     
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    Aus you guy's did well or so it seems.....http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/14/pf/minimum-wage-countries-australia/

    By the standards of other rich nations, the U.S. minimum wage, at $7.25 an hour, can look pretty measly. Australia's minimum for full-time adult employees works out to almost $15, these days. France's is around $12. For almost a year now, American fast food workers have been going on strike to demand that kind of pay.

    But in some senses, those high wages abroad aren't quite as high as they sound. The reason: cost of living. Melbourne, where about a fifth of all Australians live, is the fourth most expensive city in the world according to The Economist's Intelligence Unit—about 36 percent pricier than New York. Making rent and putting food on the table in Paris, meanwhile, is about 28 percent costlier than in NYC. When it comes to everyday living in these countries, money doesn't stretch as far as in the states.

    Thankfully for us, economists have come up with a concept that lets us adjust exchange rates to account for the differences local prices. It's called "purchasing power parity," or PPP. When applied to minimum wages around the world, it tends to even out the differences, a bit. As shown in the chart below, based on 2012 data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Australia's minimum wage is actually closer to $10 once purchasing power is taken into account. France's also drops to around $10. Both are still higher than America's, but not quite as eye-popping.
    None of this matters if you can't live on it..
     
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    Frankly some industries should not be rescued but what America has done was create new ones to replace them with higher margins that enable higher wages.
    Saddle makers hated cars until they figured out they knew how to make riding in one not a painful experience.
     
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    Frightened by the strong showings by right-wing candidates, some French citizens are asking former President Obama to run for President there.

    Perfect. The best part? Watching Obama bow to Trump.
     
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    But still higher, and the benefits that the Aussies, and French, receive are far greater then what I provided in the US such as free medical care. And still, we have 1 out of six needing assistance which you would do away with as well as the minimum wage.

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp
     
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    Which they haven't done. All they have done is transfer the higher profits to higher CEO salaries, etc. It is called income inequality.
     
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    Another one of your fantasies. In fact, you are the one bowing to Trump. You just can't see it.

    homage
    (ˈhɒmɪdʒ)
    n
    1. a public show of respect or honour towards someone or something (esp in the phrases pay or do homage to)
    2. (Historical Terms) (in feudal society)
    a. the act of respect and allegiance made by a vassal to his lord.
    b. something done in acknowledgment of vassalage
     
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    Seriously!! Education in what exactly? Without wanting to throw a further damper on what is essentially a crap response invented by economists as a sound bite to cover their rape and pillage of the middle and working classes, you may want to consider a few minor points. You have to remember that these are vast economic infrastructures which have evolved to service a specific business model; regions specialise in a business model because of economic forces, land, labour capital, resources etc.. For example if you have a car plant that closes or a coal mine that shuts down its not only those directly involved workers its also the parts manufacturers (and their support infrastructure), trucking companies, railways, shops, offices, design bureau the list is endless as these are all vital ancilliary componemts in the overall “supply chain”. Also, its not just young people its all ages all levels from unskilled laborers to management; what do you say to a 55 year old accounts manager with two kids in school and a mortgage! What do we train these people to do and more importantly where? What is the feasibility for the mobility of labour once they’ve been “educated”?

    Educating or retraining entire communities is a great idea, but to what end - to do what? For example in Wales in the UK the vast majority of the workforce were coal miners or working in the support industries, those pits mostly closed in the 1990s and today whole towns are still unemployed, they are two generations living in one house that have never been gainfully employed. The remainder of the population have either left or have been forced to compete for low paid jobs against EU immigrants – what are their expectations?

    We were sold the idea that globalisation was good for the world as it would open up opportunities, but sure, some jobs would go, just a few, to other countries but hey the future is education! So here in the UK over the past 10 years we’ve built, created, expanded and embraced new colleges and universities so we can all send our kids off to this bright new future. Going to university the globalists have trumpeted would guarantee an education and open the opportunity to better, higher paid jobs in emerging industries and technologies - lets explore that myth for a bit shall we! Most graduates leave universtiy with a debt of at least £40,000 here and unfortunately have little chance of finding work in their chosen area of study. The amount of waiters and supermarket checkout clerks that have degrees is staggering. The amount of graduates going from the “new EU countries” is eating up any chance of kids being able to not only get jobs but even to get jobs at a wage level where thay can even start to contemplate paying off their debts!

    Sorry mate but more “education” ain't the key
     
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    What would you know about Homage? You know the word as well as anyone I know, But, IMO you don't understand it. I know there are many out there that would agree with you. I'm just not one of them. This was a joke..
     
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    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp[/QUOTE
    https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/country_result.jsp?country=United+States.. Just sayin..
     
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    Oh God, wouldn't that be fun !!!
     
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