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Al Qaida is US puppet

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  1. kathaksung New Member

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    Al Qaeda is More of a U.S. Propaganda Campaign than a Real Organization

    12/24/08
    Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote

    <http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development>:
    Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
    Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative" <http://www.senate.gov/%7Eforeign/testimony/2007/BrzezinskiTestimony070201.pdf>.

    And see this Los Angeles Times Article <http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0111-31.htm>, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled "The Power of Nightmares" <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm>, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown (and see this article <http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm> on the people within the U.S. who are behind the hype).

    Not only has the U.S. government hyped Al Qaeda, but it has issued numerous fake terror alerts <http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/02/everyone-knows-bush-has-issued-fake.html> to scare people.

    http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/12/former-british-foreign-secretary-al.html
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    Osama bin Laden has been a guest in the White House for the past seven years and went back to Wyomying with his friend Cheyney to do some hunting.
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    The whole scene is a puppet show
    Hey, I like the Puppet on the left
    Y0, I like the puppet on the right,
    LOOK, the same guy is operating BOTH puppets!
    Go back to sleep AMERICA, here have another BEER!

    or?
    .
  4. kathaksung New Member

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    Quantanamo detainees (1/27/09)

    Quote, "The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight."
    washingtonindependent.com/26969/those-61-gitmo-recidivists-keep-popping-back-up -

    1. These people were released under Bush regime. So Pentagon had purpose on it. Do you think the people like Rumsfeld and Bush would free extremists to fight against them? They are famous for torture, illegal detaining. More likely these are false flag "terrorist" trained by Pentagon's Guantanamo college. They will work for the interest of US intelligence.

    2. How do you know they were not brain washed, or recruited by US military or intelligence? The dirty bomb suspect, Padilla, was once designed to be the witness to prove Iraq related to dirty bomb plot, was recruited in prison. (The plan was soured after my revelation)

    3. When people are aware of that 911 was a false flag attack, this becomes a typical model that government manipulate the "terrorists" to squeeze money and power from people. European country has reason to refuse those Gitmo prisoners. They are likely false flag "terrorist" working for Pentagon and US intelligence. They will play the role like Bin Laden.

    This news may prove what I have said that Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominates. They are protected and supported by Pentagon and Feds and work as a false flag to the US interest. That's why they are from Bin Laden (CIA trained Majahidden) Sadi, Pakistan (US allies) and Guantanamo. And none was from Iraq (Saddam's regime) Iran or Syria.

    61 from Guantanamo, it only proves Guantanamo becomes a big train center of the false flag terrorists.

    Al Qaida (or most other terrrorist group) exists where US intelligence dominates. Al Qaida in US when Bush needs excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there was no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. But they appears to attack ordinary people when the government either is controlled by US intelligence or supported by US intelligence. That's why you see Al Qaida attacks in US, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq (after it is occupied by US). Because where they are protected by the intelligence, worked as a whip to beat people. When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war.
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    My take on things, The Polish had their SOLIDARITY, the French have their National Strikes,
    What about AMERICA, will AMERICANS get it together well enough to make the point that CONGRESS works for US, WE THE PEOPLE and not GREED INC?

    There are several things that the population in general could do to make a statement,
    one being everybody that is registered to VOTE as either a Democrat or Republican change their registration to anything but Democrat or Republican.

    Another would be a power grid shut-down, that is on an agreed upon day, shut-down as much of your house as humanly possible (leaving essential bits like the "fridge" running)
    but if all of the TVs, Video games (etc .... ) where shut-down for a day, it would remove serious load off the power grid and that would make a statement.
    But can it be done? Can AMERICA have SOLIDARITY?

    Divided we fall .....


    can U dig it?
  6. kathaksung New Member

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    Quote, "Fictional Al Qaeda
    <http://www.stewebbb.com/>

    Al Qaeda is nothing more than an extension of the operatus linked to US intelligence that was allowed, by script, to remove itself as a rogue break away entity of the US government, allowed to de-compartmentalise from oversight, and was run instead by Gary Best, rogue black ops specialists for scripted activity outside of the US Government, with its funding being orchestrated through the Pakistani secret police, an entity of the US Government itself.

    -- Tom Heneghan, 2004 Presidential Candidate, American Patriot and Federal Whistleblower.
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    Have you ever thought that maybe it might be the other way around?
    We are the ones who has spend soon be 8 years looking for Bin Laden,
    and we have not found him yet. Or how about our own Government
    using us as puppets?

    They are spending our tax dollars trying to find the man, and what
    have they came up with by spending our tax dollars? NOTHING.
  8. kathaksung New Member

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    I have said it already. "When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war."

    Bin Laden is their puppet to justify the hoax. How could they find him?

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    The War on Terror is a Hoax

    By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
    According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush’s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.

    If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.

    The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.

    http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts02042009.html

    So far it's true after eight years of "war on terror". But beware of one incident once they realize the flaw. To cover up thier plot, they may sacrifice one "unlucky" fellow.
  9. kathaksung New Member

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    Al Qaida's resource

    Any resistence needs resource. From money to ammunition. Vietcon had the support from two big powers - Soviet and China.

    Where did the support of Al Qaida come from? Not from Saddam's Iraq, Syria, Iran. If there was, US already beat the drum to invade. Al Qaida only prosperous in Iraq after it is occupied by US army. Because they are supported by pentagon and intelligence. Bin Laden's resistence is known as Mujahiddem before 911. Everybody knows it was trained and supported by CIA. Al Qaida was only a data base in communication for Mujahiddem before 911. After 911, to prevent people to link CIA from Mujahiddem, they created Al Qaida and since blame everything on it.

    But where did Al Qaida get the resource from? No nation dare to offend US - a super power. So the support must be from either from Alladin's magic Lantern or US secret budget.

    Quote, The head of Pakistan’s ISI, General Mahmud Ahmed, had ordered to wire $100,000 to the leader of 911 attack, Mohammed Atta through the hand of Omar Sheikh. This has been confirmed by the director of the FBI’s financial crimes unit, Dennis Lormel.

    Quote, " Musharraf names 9/11 suspect as possible British asset

    Fails to mention links to 9/11, ISI, CIA
    By Devlin Buckley
    © Copyright 2006,

    http://fromthewilderness.com/members/102506_possible_names.php
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    Who supplies Al Qaida?

    What excuse the Neocon uses to have US troops staying in Iraq? Insurgence and riot. Although some people said Iraq war is like Vietnam war, it is not. There were two big countries: Soviet Union and China behind the Vietnam. It was their support of weapons and economic aids which helped North Vietnam to win the war. There was none such support for Iraq. Iran and Syria, are much weaker and smaller than Soviet Union and China then. They themselves know they are the next target of the Neocon. They dare not to offend US by supporting the Iraq insurgence. To stay in Iraq, Neocon try to make a mess in Iraq - they need a civil war of Iraq. "

    Then who support the insurgence and militias and Al Qaida the weapon they need? To my analysis, there is only one suspect: US. which has motives and ability.
    The following news proved it's no others than US supplied weapon to the Iraqi insurgence and militias and Al Qaida, though media use the word "missing".

    Quote, "ABC News: 190,000 AK-47s Sent to Iraq Are Missing

    A young boy aims an AK-47 assault rifle during clashes between ... The Pentagon cannot account for 190,000 AK-47 rifles and pistols given to Iraqi ...

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3450946

    Do you have the conception how many is 190,000? It can arm a force bigger than the whole US occupation troop in Iraq. (170,000 after surge) Whom do you think are the receipants of these "missing" weapons?
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    Who supplies human resource to Al Qaida?

    None of the so said "19 hijackers" were from evil axis. They were all from US allies. Because only a friendly country will help US to frame a case, to cover up a forgery story and create misinformation.

    Quote, "Hijackers in the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free ...
    Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

    Yet Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Is that ridiculous?
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    Here is a news to prove my previous comment. This is how US recruit and train prisoner to their false flag operators. How can a released Guantanamo detainee so quickly becoming the Taliban military leader in charge of operations against U.S. and Afghan forces in southern Afghanistan? Because he has the resource of money and weapons which supplied by Pentagon. His recruit history is similar to Padilla. He will play the similar role Bin Laden once did. He may also be sacrificed like Zharcarwi when Pentagon thinks it's necessary. Anyway, Pentagon said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees are believed to have returned to the fight. Quantanamo College really trained a lot of false flag operators. Pentagon need not worry of the shortage of such supply.

    Officials: New Taliban chief was once at Gitmo
    Operation officer was released to the Afghan government in 2007
    A.P.
    updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Tues., March. 10, 2009

    Taliban's new operations officer in southern Afghanistan had been a prisoner at the Guantanamo Bay detention center, the latest example of a freed detainee who took a militant leadership role and a potential complication for the Obama administration's efforts to close the prison.

    U.S. authorities handed over the detainee to the Afghan government, which in turn released him, according to Pentagon and CIA officials.

    Abdullah Ghulam Rasoul, formerly Guantanamo prisoner No. 008, was among 13 Afghan prisoners released to the Afghan government in December 2007. Rasoul is now known as Mullah Abdullah Zakir, a nom de guerre that Pentagon and intelligence officials say is used by a Taliban leader who is in charge of operations against U.S. and Afghan forces in southern Afghanistan.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29622714/
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    I dont want to read all you wrote, I would like to know though if you think that Al Qaida is a US puppet, do you feel that now P Obama is the one pulling the strings? or do you think Former President Bush is pulling them from Texas?
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    "I dont want to read all you wrote, I would like to know though if you think that Al Qaida is a US puppet, do you feel that now P Obama is the one pulling the strings? or do you think Former President Bush is pulling them from Texas? "

    Doesn't matter, the cabal that is pulling the strings for the PUPPET government headed up by Obama is probably the same entity that is pulling a LOT of other strings world wide. & I don't care if you call it the Military Industrial Complex or The Builderburger group(sp?) or whatever,
    a sick & twisted plot to take over the world by anyother name would still stink!

    OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA
    the emperor is NAKED!


    All presidents since at least LBJ, have been puppets of the "NEW WORLD ORDER" or whatever it really is (military industrial complex ... or?)
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    One thing you must understand that the people who pulling the strings is hiding behind the curtain. You can call it government insiders, intelligence or military industry complexity. Politicians are only puppets, so are terrorists. One plays positive role and one plays negative. Without two oppisite paries, there will be no opera. President Kennedy was disobedient, so he was assassinated. Bush is obedient, so even he was so notorious, he got a second term. But none of them are the string puller. Neither Obama.

    582. Robert Gates' career prolonged for Iran war (1/15/09)

    Petro dollar benefits US economy a lot. When Iran abandons dollar as oil trading currency, it shakes dollar foundation significantly. To stabilize the dollar position, the war on Iran is inevitable. The latest attempt to war on Iran was failed in August 2008. Next month, in September, a financial crisis is created to save the dollar. The financial crisis push people to change the investment into cash - the dollar, and drives the dollar into a balloon - US bond. The Inside Group will keep that balloon for months, no longer than a year. They will keep that balloon until the Iran war break out.

    The reason I said so is out of a decision made by the President elect - Obama. He decides to let Bush's Defense Secretary - Robert Gates to stay in chair for one more year. It means the Inside group still wants to finish Iran war within a year. They maintain that dollar balloon from popping until the war comes.

    Robert Gates is a well selected neo-con follower. He is no other than Rumsfeld, Bush and Ashcroft. He has been chosen to command the soured Iran war of 2008 August. No one is more familiar with that war project then him. No one will work better than him with that military official group inside Pentagon which developed the Iran war project. It was an urgent war. If Bush can't stay in President seat, Gates will be the right person to stay for the war.

    Barak Obama won the president election by his slogan "change". One important reason he won the campaign is because he said he opposes Iraq war. But when it touches the interest of the Inside Group, he has to obey. In an area where needs an utter "change", he reacts with "un change". He says he opposes Iraq war, because the bird is held in hand already. It doesn't cost anything but a lip service. But when his master gave an order, he will hug another war.

    Politicians are picked up from the followers of the Inside Group. High ranking politicians have been all screened tier upon tier. They are all the same even though they pretend to be different by sticking a different sign of donkey or elephant. When people are tired of a white wolf, they gave you a black one. But on the core it's the same. Wolf won't change its habit to eat lamb.

    There is a Chinese fable: Three for breakfast and four for super. It says a monkey keeper gave his monkey four nuts in breakfast and three for supper. Monkey felt hungry and protested. The keeper thought for a while than pretended compromise. He said, "OK, you win, I will give you three nuts in morning and four in the evening." Monkey thought it won because the keeper changed three into four for supper. So when Obama gives you four nuts for supper but three in the morning, do you think there is a change?
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    Sudan is secret partner of U.S.

    Khartoum supplies information to the CIA on insurgents in Iraq
    By Greg Miller and Josh Meyer
    Originally published June 11, 2007

    Washington // Sudan has secretly worked with the CIA to spy on the insurgency in Iraq - an example of how the United States has continued to cooperate with the Sudanese regime even while condemning its role in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians in Darfur
    The relationship underscores the complex realities of the post-Sept. 11 world, in which the United States has relied heavily on intelligence and military cooperation from countries, including Sudan and Uzbekistan, that are considered pariah states for their records on human rights.

    Sudan has become increasingly valuable to the United States since the Sept. 11 attacks because the Sunni Arab nation is a crossroads for Islamic militants making their way to Iraq and Pakistan.

    That steady flow of foreign fighters has provided cover for Sudan's Mukhabarat intelligence service to insert spies into Iraq, officials said.

    "If you've got jihadists traveling via Sudan to get into Iraq, there's a pattern there in and of itself that would not raise suspicion," said a former high-ranking CIA official familiar with Sudan's cooperation with the agency. "It creates an opportunity to send Sudanese into that pipeline."

    (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/na...jun11,0,7816375.story?coll=bal-home-headlines)
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    Supported by Pentagon. When they fought for US interest in Bosnia, they were called Islamic resistence, when they attacked in false flag operation, (such like 911) then they were called Al Qaida.

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    yes its a puppet, becuse we know realy there are no muslim extreamist that would want to kill americans...

    retarded...of course they are in Iraq...where the hell else would they go if they wanted to kill US troops in large nombers?

    Also why are they in chechnia and killing russians , in the middle east killing moderates, attacking Inida....

    also news flash, we never needed al quida to attack Iraq...if we where going to lie about there connections, then why do we actuly need them? and we never needed them in the first place, there was that saddam guy...
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    I really don't know what it will take, but the public world wide needs to wake up to the FACT that the consolidation of corporate power (mergers, buy-outs, etc....) is NOT healthy for this planet.

    You really can't trust what the corporate controlled media broadcasts these days.

    A! Bust the "emperor" for Indecent Exposure!
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    After Soviet bloc collapsed in 1992, US intelligence turned its resource once used against Soviet Union on to the Islamic bloc because of its oil tresure. A large quantity of informants converted into Islam to infiltrate the Muslim group. Padilla is one of such story. He was recruited in prison and infiltrated to the Muslim world in 92. Seven years ago, he almost became a dirty bomb witness to justify the Iraq war.

    This one becomes an Al Qaida spokesman. Along with Bin Laden, the Al Qaida is under the leadship of US intelligence.

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