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  1. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

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    That terrorist group works for US intelligence, whatever the name it is. Once it was Majahideem, resistent group, or then Islam extremist and terrorist. Al Qaida is a convenient name for them after 911. For the purpose of propaganda. The group exists for a long time with different label. But whatever the name is, it works for the interest of US intelligence as a false flag.

    Here is another reference. Though Robin Cook died of "natural disease" because he told truth.

    Quote, "There Is No 'Al Qaeda' - Ex UK Foreign Secretary

    12-22-8

    "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ."


    -- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook
    Robin Cook died in August 2005 of a severe heart attack while mountain climbing in Scotland.

    Wikipedia wrote:Robert Finlayson Cook (28 February 1946 - 6 August 2005), better known as Robin Cook, was a politician in the British Labour Party. He was Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2001. He resigned from his post as Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council on 17 March 2003 in protest against the 2003 invasion of Iraq. At the time of his death he was president of the Foreign Policy Centre and a vice-president of the America All Party Parliamentary Group and the Global Security and Non-Proliferation All Party Parliamentary Group...

    In a column for the Guardian four weeks before his death, Cook caused a stir when he described Al-Qaeda as a product of a western intelligence:

    “ Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.[13] ”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11487
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    kathaksung New Member

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    Al Qaida was only a data base in internet communication before 911. After 911, US needs a convenient target to be a false flag. They created Al Qaida and blame everything on it. Bin Laden becomes a natural leader of Al Qaida. A figure bears all sin of terror activity, yet can never been captured.

    Quote, "Al Quaeda is not a terror network

    Wayne Madsen

    Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

    "I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

    "Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

    "For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

    "In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

    "It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

    "[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base."

    The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

    "In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

    "In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force.

    Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

    "These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

    "Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases.

    It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

    "Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

    "Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

    " . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

    " Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

    "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

    In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

    http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
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    You posted this before, and it was already shown to be the mindless ravings of lunacy.

    "Al Qaida was only a data base in internet communication before 911" is most likely the most comical, idiotic statement made this century.
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    When Galelio said the Earth moved around the Sun, not only his opinion was thought as mindless ravings of lunacy, he was thrown into prison too. Modern priest not only attack dissenters as comical, idiotic, but also murder them. Here is the fact.

    Those who told truth about Al Qaida, were silenced by "natural disease". Because intelligence don't want others know Terrorist is its tool to control people.

    There Is No 'Al Qaeda' - Ex UK Foreign Secretary

    12-22-8

    "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ."


    -- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook
    Robin Cook died in August 2005 of a severe heart attack while mountain climbing in Scotland.

    Wikipedia wrote:Robert Finlayson Cook (28 February 1946 - 6 August 2005), better known as Robin Cook, was a politician in the British Labour Party. He was Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs of the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2001. He resigned from his post as Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council on 17 March 2003 in protest against the 2003 invasion of Iraq. At the time of his death he was president of the Foreign Policy Centre and a vice-president of the America All Party Parliamentary Group and the Global Security and Non-Proliferation All Party Parliamentary Group...

    In a column for the Guardian four weeks before his death, Cook caused a stir when he described Al-Qaeda as a product of a western intelligence:

    “ Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.[13] ”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11487
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    Its sad to say but Al-Qaida has, and still is using the US.
    Its strange why the US can't Omar Bin Ladin, but it was
    a success taking Saddam out, and this makes me wonder.
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    Al Qaeda is More of a U.S. Propaganda Campaign than a Real Organization

    12/24/08
    Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote

    <http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development>:
    Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
    Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative" <http://www.senate.gov/%7Eforeign/testimony/2007/BrzezinskiTestimony070201.pdf>.

    And see this Los Angeles Times Article <http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0111-31.htm>, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled "The Power of Nightmares" <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm>, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown (and see this article <http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm> on the people within the U.S. who are behind the hype).

    Not only has the U.S. government hyped Al Qaeda, but it has issued numerous fake terror alerts <http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/02/everyone-knows-bush-has-issued-fake.html> to scare people.

    http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/12/former-british-foreign-secretary-al.html
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    Osama bin Laden has been a guest in the White House for the past seven years and went back to Wyomying with his friend Cheyney to do some hunting.
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    The whole scene is a puppet show
    Hey, I like the Puppet on the left
    Y0, I like the puppet on the right,
    LOOK, the same guy is operating BOTH puppets!
    Go back to sleep AMERICA, here have another BEER!

    or?
    .
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    kathaksung New Member

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    Quantanamo detainees (1/27/09)

    Quote, "The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight."
    washingtonindependent.com/26969/those-61-gitmo-recidivists-keep-popping-back-up -

    1. These people were released under Bush regime. So Pentagon had purpose on it. Do you think the people like Rumsfeld and Bush would free extremists to fight against them? They are famous for torture, illegal detaining. More likely these are false flag "terrorist" trained by Pentagon's Guantanamo college. They will work for the interest of US intelligence.

    2. How do you know they were not brain washed, or recruited by US military or intelligence? The dirty bomb suspect, Padilla, was once designed to be the witness to prove Iraq related to dirty bomb plot, was recruited in prison. (The plan was soured after my revelation)

    3. When people are aware of that 911 was a false flag attack, this becomes a typical model that government manipulate the "terrorists" to squeeze money and power from people. European country has reason to refuse those Gitmo prisoners. They are likely false flag "terrorist" working for Pentagon and US intelligence. They will play the role like Bin Laden.

    This news may prove what I have said that Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominates. They are protected and supported by Pentagon and Feds and work as a false flag to the US interest. That's why they are from Bin Laden (CIA trained Majahidden) Sadi, Pakistan (US allies) and Guantanamo. And none was from Iraq (Saddam's regime) Iran or Syria.

    61 from Guantanamo, it only proves Guantanamo becomes a big train center of the false flag terrorists.

    Al Qaida (or most other terrrorist group) exists where US intelligence dominates. Al Qaida in US when Bush needs excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there was no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. But they appears to attack ordinary people when the government either is controlled by US intelligence or supported by US intelligence. That's why you see Al Qaida attacks in US, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq (after it is occupied by US). Because where they are protected by the intelligence, worked as a whip to beat people. When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war.
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    My take on things, The Polish had their SOLIDARITY, the French have their National Strikes,
    What about AMERICA, will AMERICANS get it together well enough to make the point that CONGRESS works for US, WE THE PEOPLE and not GREED INC?

    There are several things that the population in general could do to make a statement,
    one being everybody that is registered to VOTE as either a Democrat or Republican change their registration to anything but Democrat or Republican.

    Another would be a power grid shut-down, that is on an agreed upon day, shut-down as much of your house as humanly possible (leaving essential bits like the "fridge" running)
    but if all of the TVs, Video games (etc .... ) where shut-down for a day, it would remove serious load off the power grid and that would make a statement.
    But can it be done? Can AMERICA have SOLIDARITY?

    Divided we fall .....


    can U dig it?
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    Quote, "Fictional Al Qaeda
    <http://www.stewebbb.com/>

    Al Qaeda is nothing more than an extension of the operatus linked to US intelligence that was allowed, by script, to remove itself as a rogue break away entity of the US government, allowed to de-compartmentalise from oversight, and was run instead by Gary Best, rogue black ops specialists for scripted activity outside of the US Government, with its funding being orchestrated through the Pakistani secret police, an entity of the US Government itself.

    -- Tom Heneghan, 2004 Presidential Candidate, American Patriot and Federal Whistleblower.
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    Have you ever thought that maybe it might be the other way around?
    We are the ones who has spend soon be 8 years looking for Bin Laden,
    and we have not found him yet. Or how about our own Government
    using us as puppets?

    They are spending our tax dollars trying to find the man, and what
    have they came up with by spending our tax dollars? NOTHING.
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    I have said it already. "When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war."

    Bin Laden is their puppet to justify the hoax. How could they find him?

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    The War on Terror is a Hoax

    By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
    According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush’s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.

    If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.

    The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.

    http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts02042009.html

    So far it's true after eight years of "war on terror". But beware of one incident once they realize the flaw. To cover up thier plot, they may sacrifice one "unlucky" fellow.
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    Al Qaida's resource

    Any resistence needs resource. From money to ammunition. Vietcon had the support from two big powers - Soviet and China.

    Where did the support of Al Qaida come from? Not from Saddam's Iraq, Syria, Iran. If there was, US already beat the drum to invade. Al Qaida only prosperous in Iraq after it is occupied by US army. Because they are supported by pentagon and intelligence. Bin Laden's resistence is known as Mujahiddem before 911. Everybody knows it was trained and supported by CIA. Al Qaida was only a data base in communication for Mujahiddem before 911. After 911, to prevent people to link CIA from Mujahiddem, they created Al Qaida and since blame everything on it.

    But where did Al Qaida get the resource from? No nation dare to offend US - a super power. So the support must be from either from Alladin's magic Lantern or US secret budget.

    Quote, The head of Pakistan’s ISI, General Mahmud Ahmed, had ordered to wire $100,000 to the leader of 911 attack, Mohammed Atta through the hand of Omar Sheikh. This has been confirmed by the director of the FBI’s financial crimes unit, Dennis Lormel.

    Quote, " Musharraf names 9/11 suspect as possible British asset

    Fails to mention links to 9/11, ISI, CIA
    By Devlin Buckley
    © Copyright 2006,

    http://fromthewilderness.com/members/102506_possible_names.php
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    Who supplies Al Qaida?

    What excuse the Neocon uses to have US troops staying in Iraq? Insurgence and riot. Although some people said Iraq war is like Vietnam war, it is not. There were two big countries: Soviet Union and China behind the Vietnam. It was their support of weapons and economic aids which helped North Vietnam to win the war. There was none such support for Iraq. Iran and Syria, are much weaker and smaller than Soviet Union and China then. They themselves know they are the next target of the Neocon. They dare not to offend US by supporting the Iraq insurgence. To stay in Iraq, Neocon try to make a mess in Iraq - they need a civil war of Iraq. "

    Then who support the insurgence and militias and Al Qaida the weapon they need? To my analysis, there is only one suspect: US. which has motives and ability.
    The following news proved it's no others than US supplied weapon to the Iraqi insurgence and militias and Al Qaida, though media use the word "missing".

    Quote, "ABC News: 190,000 AK-47s Sent to Iraq Are Missing

    A young boy aims an AK-47 assault rifle during clashes between ... The Pentagon cannot account for 190,000 AK-47 rifles and pistols given to Iraqi ...

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3450946

    Do you have the conception how many is 190,000? It can arm a force bigger than the whole US occupation troop in Iraq. (170,000 after surge) Whom do you think are the receipants of these "missing" weapons?

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