A remarkable similarity

[Little-Acorn]

 

[ktucan1]

* Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980, Pub.L. 96-499 (1980)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, Pub.L. 97-35 (1981)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982, Pub.L. 97-253 (1982)
* Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (TEFRA), Pub.L. 97-248 (1982)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983, Pub.L. 98-270 (1984)
* Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 (DEFRA), Pub.L. 98-369 (1984)
* Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA), Pub.L. 99-272 (1986)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986, Pub.L. 99-509 (1986)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987, Pub.L. 100-203 (1987)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-239 (1989)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, Pub.L. 101-508 (1990).
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, Pub.L. 103-66 (1993).
* Balanced Budget Act of 1995, H.R. 2491 (vetoed December 6, 1995)
* Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, Pub.L. 104-193 (1996)
* Balanced Budget Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105-33 (1997)
* Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105-34 (1997)
* Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999, H.R. 2488 (vetoed September 23, 1999)
* Marriage Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2000, H.R. 4810 (vetoed August 5, 2000)
* Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA), Pub.L. 107-16 (2001)
* Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, Pub.L. 108-27 (2003)
* Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-171 (2006)
* Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 (TIPRA), Pub.L. 109-222 (2006)
* College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-84 (2007)

During the administration of President George W. Bush, Congress used reconciliation to enact three major tax cuts, each of which substantially increased the deficit.[4] These tax cuts were set to lapse after 10 years to satisfy the Byrd Rule.

So yeah it's only the democrats who have used it...>>...<<...>>

 

[Little-Acorn]

* Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980, Pub.L. 96-499 (1980)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, Pub.L. 97-35 (1981)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982, Pub.L. 97-253 (1982)
* Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 (TEFRA), Pub.L. 97-248 (1982)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983, Pub.L. 98-270 (1984)
* Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 (DEFRA), Pub.L. 98-369 (1984)
* Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA), Pub.L. 99-272 (1986)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986, Pub.L. 99-509 (1986)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987, Pub.L. 100-203 (1987)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-239 (1989)
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990, Pub.L. 101-508 (1990).
* Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, Pub.L. 103-66 (1993).
* Balanced Budget Act of 1995, H.R. 2491 (vetoed December 6, 1995)
* Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, Pub.L. 104-193 (1996)
* Balanced Budget Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105-33 (1997)
* Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997, Pub.L. 105-34 (1997)
* Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999, H.R. 2488 (vetoed September 23, 1999)
* Marriage Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2000, H.R. 4810 (vetoed August 5, 2000)
* Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA), Pub.L. 107-16 (2001)
* Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, Pub.L. 108-27 (2003)
* Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-171 (2006)
* Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 (TIPRA), Pub.L. 109-222 (2006)
* College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007, Pub.L. 110-84 (2007)

During the administration of President George W. Bush, Congress used reconciliation to enact three major tax cuts, each of which substantially increased the deficit.[4]

Thanks for pointing out that Republicans have only used "Budget reconciliation" for budget matters.

It's good to have independent confiration of the point I was making.

BTW, since you brought up the subject... what is the current Democrat excuse for using "Budget reconciliation" on a huge, non-budget matter that will cause the government to nationalize 1/6 of the nation's economy?

 

[TVoffBrainOn]

Thanks for pointing out that Republicans have only used "Budget reconciliation" for budget matters.

It's good to have independent confiration of the point I was making.

BTW, since you brought up the subject... what is the current Democrat excuse for using "Budget reconciliation" on a huge, non-budget matter that will cause the government to nationalize 1/6 of the nation's economy?

I'm sure you can make your point without making stuff up...

Health Care is absolutely a budget matter
Nothing in the bill nationalizes health care

What I don't understand about the Health Care debate, is that Republicans refuse to debate it from their true ideological perspective, which is that health care is a privelage, not a right. Unfortunately, that doesn't poll well these days, so you have to basically make stuff up like "the government is going to kill you and nationalize healthcare, and socialism... and stuff"...

Republicans think Health Care is a privelage, Democrats think Health Care should be a fundamental right (actually, they are supposed to think that, but unfortunately there are too many DINO's).

That's the debate we should be having. Unfortunately the media, corporate interests, and the radicals on both sides have dominated the debate with a bunch of nonsense.

 

[Little-Acorn]

health care is a privelage, not a right.

Republicans think Health Care is a privelage,

The socialists probably don't debate it because they are afraid of people finding out how many of them can't even spell "privilege".

 

[Little-Acorn]

BTW, we've successfully been diverted from the subject of the thread. My apologies for being taken in by this common leftist tactic.

Back to the subject:
It's striking to notice the similarity.

How many groups would like to impose agendas, and/or governmental forms, on the United States that the American people don't want, by force if necessary, and are spending lots of time trying to figure out if they have enough "force at hand" to do it? While all the while pretending that they are doing something that no one could possibly object to?

A. Democrats in Congress and the White House pushing their socialized Health Care takeover, while pretending that a majority of Americans want it and that it will somehow "improve" our Health Care system;

B. Mahmoud Amahdenijad pushing Iran's agenda to develop nuclear weapons to use on Israel and anyone who has backed her, while stressing all the while that the nuclear research and uranium enrichment are for peaceful purposes only;

C. Militant Islamic terrorists trying to kill as many "infidels" as possible, in and out of the U.S., while trying to pretend that they are doing it only because the U.S. has been so bad to them?

D. All of the above.

 

[ktucan1]

BTW, we've successfully been diverted from the subject of the thread. My apologies for being taken in by this common leftist tactic.

Back to the subject:
It's striking to notice the similarity.

How many groups would like to impose agendas, and/or governmental forms, on the United States that the American people don't want, by force if necessary, and are spending lots of time trying to figure out if they have enough "force at hand" to do it? While all the while pretending that they are doing something that no one could possibly object to?

A. Democrats in Congress and the White House pushing their socialized Health Care takeover, while pretending that a majority of Americans want it and that it will somehow "improve" our Health Care system;

B. Mahmoud Amahdenijad pushing Iran's agenda to develop nuclear weapons to use on Israel and anyone who has backed her, while stressing all the while that the nuclear research and uranium enrichment are for peaceful purposes only;

C. Militant Islamic terrorists trying to kill as many "infidels" as possible, in and out of the U.S., while trying to pretend that they are doing it only because the U.S. has been so bad to them?

D. All of the above.

Tell us how you really feel?

Obama eats babies too and also it's a vast left-wing conspiracy too....I said it before and I'll say it again. I the heard the same thing about G.W.Bush when he was in the White House from the left but please continue to beat a dead horse because I don't think your covered enough in the blood.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Tell us how you really feel?

(The usual hysterical rants in response deleted)

Translation: You can't refute my point, that fanatic leftist Democrats are working overtime to push through an agenda that harms the U.S., is unwanted by most Americans, and they are doing it by citing a host of lies and deception to fool the people into not calling their Congressmen about it.

Too bad it's not working. The leftist fanatic have blown it, for the second time in sixteen years. Socialistic health care "reform" is dead, dead, dead.

 

[TVoffBrainOn]

BTW, we've successfully been diverted from the subject of the thread. My apologies for being taken in by this common leftist tactic.

Back to the subject:
It's striking to notice the similarity.

How many groups would like to impose agendas, and/or governmental forms, on the United States that the American people don't want, by force if necessary, and are spending lots of time trying to figure out if they have enough "force at hand" to do it? While all the while pretending that they are doing something that no one could possibly object to?

A. Democrats in Congress and the White House pushing their socialized Health Care takeover, while pretending that a majority of Americans want it and that it will somehow "improve" our Health Care system;

B. Mahmoud Amahdenijad pushing Iran's agenda to develop nuclear weapons to use on Israel and anyone who has backed her, while stressing all the while that the nuclear research and uranium enrichment are for peaceful purposes only;

C. Militant Islamic terrorists trying to kill as many "infidels" as possible, in and out of the U.S., while trying to pretend that they are doing it only because the U.S. has been so bad to them?

D. All of the above.

less then 15 months ago the people spoke... elections are how the American people voice their opinions, not bias polling. Meanwhile, the Public Option still polls better then the current Health Care bill.

Acting like the American people are being forced something they don't want is bull**** minority posturing. The poor polling on "health care reform" is because many liberals aren't getting what they really want.

* In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option.

* In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option.

* In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option.

* In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option.

* In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option.

* In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

*In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

* In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option.

The American people want Health care reform, that's what they voted for in November when they voiced their opinion

 

[GenSeneca]

Health Care should be a fundamental right

Shall we bring back slavery?

To claim HC is a "right", is to claim that you have a "right" to the labor of another individual.

The American people want Health care reform

Just not the "reforms" being pushed by Democrats.

 

[Gipper]

Shall we bring back slavery?

To claim HC is a "right", is to claim that you have a "right" to the labor of another individual.


Just not the "reforms" being pushed by Democrats.

Yes and kooky leftists want me and you to become a slave to their socialist BS. The new slaves are hard working people who will have their rights taken from them along with their property.

They can kiss my ..........

 

[GenSeneca]

three major tax cuts, each of which substantially increased the deficit.

It was the spending that increased the deficit, not the tax cuts... The tax cuts increased federal revenue.

10 myths about the Bush Tax Cuts

During the administration of President George W. Bush, Congress used reconciliation to enact three major tax cuts, each of which substantially increased the deficit.[4]

Your WIKI sentence that claims the opposite is followed by a [4] and if you check it says: "reference needed"

 

[dogtowner]

if you are not going to give me a reason, I'll never hit the link.
I swat shaman for it, I swat you too.

 

[TVoffBrainOn]

Shall we bring back slavery?

To claim HC is a "right", is to claim that you have a "right" to the labor of another individual.


Just not the "reforms" being pushed by Democrats.

I didn't claim HC was a right. I said I personally believe it should be. The constitution is capable of evolving as it did with slavery and voting rights.

My point was that the debate should be in these terms. Republicans should be arguing that Health Care is a privelage. That HC is for those who can afford. That Medicare/Medicaid are constitutional abominations are are dragging the economy down.

While Dems should be arguing that every other 1st world country in the world has some form of universal insurance/health care coverage. That the for profit system is completely broken. And that we need to move in the direction of making Health Care a right, as was done with Education.

I think it's good when America has real debates, and the people make real decisions. But the current health care debate is a joke. Nothing about the process has been logical or honest. Republicans are defending Medicare and all for regulating private industry (no denial of insurance, pre-existing conditions, etc). and Democrats are for mandating the american people purchase a product/service from a private company.

The whole debate has been absurd, and this whole new controversy over using Reconciliation to "reconcile" two differentiating bills that were ALREADY passed by the House and Senate, is mind numbingly dumb to listen to people actually argue over.

 

[TVoffBrainOn]

Translation: You can't refute my point, that fanatic leftist Democrats are working overtime to push through an agenda that harms the U.S., is unwanted by most Americans, and they are doing it by citing a host of lies and deception to fool the people into not calling their Congressmen about it.

Too bad it's not working. The leftist fanatic have blown it, for the second time in sixteen years. Socialistic health care "reform" is dead, dead, dead.

really? Health Care Reform passed the House and the Senate, and now the House will pass the Senate bill, and the Senate will "reconcile" the bill using... gasp... reconciliation.

there's not much i like about the bill... but it's pretty clear to anyone who's paying attention to what's going on on the hill, that the bill will pass (first in the House, then reconciled in the Senate. But I guess if you're watching Fox News you might think otherwise, I'm tuned into fox right now, so i can see why you think otherwise.

reform isn't dead, its very well alive. the only thing dead in this whole thing is the filibuster.