a question for the atheists

The Founding Fathers wanted Slavery...so I guess we should all as well.

Founding Fathers where Free Masons...so I guess the US should Follow Free mason Law!

I also have to say I love when people say the Founding Fathers Belived....when the fact is the best you could say on most is, some of them did...as oddly there was lots of disagreement with them. But just pick the one who said something you like, grab some lube and have some keep repeating it like its the word of God. It gets rid of the whole having to think for yourlself...Just say a dead guy said it, and belives what you want him to...and you don't need to do any work

And did you work real hard to come up with this GEM of a post?

Please read the post at http://www.houseofpolitics.com/threads/a-question-for-the-atheists.16314/page-12#post-206983. You'll see that your comments are irrelevant to the debate of this subject. Of course the founders disagreed on various aspects of the Constitution when it's creation was in process. Such disagreement was encouraged in order to determine its best and final form. The relevant potion of the post linked above is: "We Conservatives here have taken the exact position that Washington himself expressed in both of his above quotes! We Conservatives have never argued that the Constitution is “perfect”. We have argued, and rightfully so, that when any part of our Constitution is determined to be “imperfect”, the change MUST be implemented legally via the Amendment process. If you recall your history, you know that slavery was Constitutional at the time it was adopted. Future generations didn't appoint a Justice who RULED that slavery was un-Constitutional. We fought a Civil War, and in accordance with our Constitutional law, we then AMENDED the Constitution to prohibit slavery!" Disagreements among the founders became moot upon adoption of our Constitution. Understand now?

WHAT? Please provide examples of "Free-Mason Law" that were included within the Constitution. IF you can find any, explain WHY the inclusion was a bad idea!

I love it when people discard ALL of those beliefs in attempt to discredit the Constitution simply because disagreements occurred during its writing. Once the final form of the Constitution was approved, earlier disagreements among the founders become moot.

Your position seems to be that because the founders disagreed on some things, the Constitution they approved should be ignored?? IF you think that another source should be used for our Nation's laws, please tell us WHAT that source is, and justify WHY you believe so!

Denigrate the Founders, but venerate liberalism. You must have learned that in the p-schools....or should I say you were indoctrinated.

Oh my my...how the world has turned upside down....

Was Confucius a conservative?I think he was! The following saying would seem to reflect good conservative caution: "The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved."

Seems to be more caution than conservative. To me conservatism is clinging to the past, and to the authorities of the past and the status quo. Yeah, I think both parties should take heed of Confucius.

Let's not forget the generous treatment of the native Americans following their help to your ancestors

Oh and then there are the Salem witch trials

Slavery

The KKK

Oh and yes, until only a few years ago some good old fashioned apartheid

Institutional racism

Capital punishment Murdering hundreds of innocent people ( but mostly black so it doesn't matter)

Macarthyism

Etc

Yes I can see why the US needs small government and the retention of conservative values

Like the ones above

Not all conservatives cling to the past..

Ronald Reagan famously observed that the status quo is Latin for “the mess we’re in.” So much for the Liberal claim that conservatives are simply defenders of the status quo.

I'm

not sure we have had a real Conservative sense..

Not all conservatives cling to the past..Ronald Reagan famously observed that the stas quo is Latin for "the mess we'er in"..So much for the claim that Conservatives are simply the defenders of the stas quo..I'm not sure we have had a real conservative sense...

OK, let's try this: All conservatives want small government, don't believe in global warming, and are Christians. I would accept that Confucius believed the first two, but I sure he wasn't aware of the third.

Oh I think he was aware of it..but I think your right he was not a believer..but as you know being a Christian does not make you Consevative

I never said I didn't believe global warming.. just the true cause...and sorry about the double post..I srew up somtimes trying to get fancy..

Libs and Ds think conservatives cling to and want a return of some time in the past. This is because they really have no understanding of what conservatism is. But that never prevents them to believing they do.

As a conservative/libertarian I find that for at least the past 100 years of our nation's history, we have been infected with progressive and elitist policies. So, I want nothing to do with the past 100 years and if you include the horror that was the Lincoln presidency and the War of Northern Aggression, I want nothing to do with that either.

What we need is a free market capitalist society governed by the rule of law, not by the ruling elite, as we have today. This society must necessarily have a very small central government with complete sovereignty granted to the 50 states (meaning secession is a state's right). While the Constitution is great, it has proven incapable of controlling the evil desires of evil men for power and wealth. Just as the Founders knew. As such, the powers granted to the central government must be few and clearly outlined. Elimination of the Federal Reserve must occur and term limits imposed on Congress. The powers of the executive branch must be greatly curtailed. And Congress must be subject to all laws they pass.

I was being dogmatic about global warming being a defining characteristic of a conservative. And, Confucius predated Christianity by a few centuries, so he most likely wasn't aware of that future religion. I guess when you try too hard at humor, it fails.

funny how Pravda does more truth telling than the American MSM....

I should have said , I believe he was aware of GOD...

OK, and as the famous philosopher Rosane Rosanadana said, "Never mind". Ah, Confucius, what a guy, reminds me of all the jokes when I was a kid. Confucious say... All who fly upside-down have crack up.

not realy, making your arugments looks bad does not even take alot of hard work...I save that for people who have a clue.

I'm glad it's easy for ya.. Sarcasm is the body’s natural defense against stupidity..thats why I love it..

make up your mind. do you want the constituion or what Washington said...do you even know what your talking about? How many times does the word Christian or Jesus show up in the bill of rights or constituion? hint its less then 1 and more then negitive 1. You talk about what Washionton said ...well guess what he is not a God..not all things must be based on what he did . ...Also I have to say I was not aware that we fought the civle war in accordance with our consituion...I seem to recall some of of it getting tossed out in that skirmish. Also yes we Amended the Constituion...because the Founding fathers screwed up. But you now you sound like they where perfect...and me must do what Washington would do ( according only to your view of him, not anyone else's )