People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

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People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

Jesus put people above God and so should we. “Mark 2;27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

I think that the world would be a better place if people put their wants and needs as well as the wants and needs of other people above God’s.

I look at all the wealth that religions squander on themselves with huge churches and mosques, which are mostly empty, --- while many people still live in poverty and despair, --- and wonder if that wealth would be better spent on the poor. That would conform more to what Jesus taught us to do for the poor.

Governments seem to be of the same mindset as the religions as they spend lavishly on themselves while the poor go with their needs ignored.

I would think that religions would show the better mindset but that does not seem to be the case.

Before religions started thinking of God as a literal and real being, a more peaceful world, religiously speaking, home churches were the order of the day. Archeology has proven this. They were used as feeding stations for the poor and destitute and contributed more to the fellowship that people need more that the mega churches, temples and mosques that we have today.

Should we consider the benefits of the older ways and bring religion back into the homes where it’s expression and help for the poor can be better served?

Seems to me that the religious crave a personal relationship with their God, and that is best expressed from homes and not from the self-aggrandizing mega monstrosities and opulent churches and mosques that advertise their wasted wealth in our cities.

Does charity really begin at home, by putting people first and not God?

Regards
DL
 
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Your twisting the verse about the sabbath out of context. For one thing, Jesus wasn't speaking of putting people before God, but rather that the law of love came before the law. In other words, exceptions could be made to the law.

For instance, let's say you followed the sabbath law, but a weekend hospital job came up and you wanted it. However, sick people need care on Sundays also, so that would be an exception to the rule.
 
People first, God second. Should people put themselves above God?

Jesus put people above God and so should we. “Mark 2;27 And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

I think that the world would be a better place if people put their wants and needs as well as the wants and needs of other people above God’s.

I look at all the wealth that religions squander on themselves with huge churches and mosques, which are mostly empty, --- while many people still live in poverty and despair, --- and wonder if that wealth would be better spent on the poor. That would conform more to what Jesus taught us to do for the poor.

Governments seem to be of the same mindset as the religions as they spend lavishly on themselves while the poor go with their needs ignored.

I would think that religions would show the better mindset but that does not seem to be the case.

Before religions started thinking of God as a literal and real being, a more peaceful world, religiously speaking, home churches were the order of the day. Archeology has proven this. They were used as feeding stations for the poor and destitute and contributed more to the fellowship that people need more that the mega churches, temples and mosques that we have today.

Should we consider the benefits of the older ways and bring religion back into the homes where it’s expression and help for the poor can be better served?

Seems to me that the religious crave a personal relationship with their God, and that is best expressed from homes and not from the self-aggrandizing mega monstrosities and opulent churches and mosques that advertise their wasted wealth in our cities.

Does charity really begin at home, by putting people first and not God?

Regards
DL

Man first, God second, is Humanism, not Christianity. As to the world being at peace, never has been, never will be. Seems like your kind have started the vast majority of the wars:

https://carm.org/religion-cause-war

"An interesting source of truth on the matter is Philip and Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars, which chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature,2 which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars. However, when one subtracts out those waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage is cut by more than half to 3.23%."
 
Your twisting the verse about the sabbath out of context. For one thing, Jesus wasn't speaking of putting people before God, but rather that the law of love came before the law. In other words, exceptions could be made to the law.

For instance, let's say you followed the sabbath law, but a weekend hospital job came up and you wanted it. However, sick people need care on Sundays also, so that would be an exception to the rule.

Denial of the truth is never a good start my friend.

Nowhere in scriptures is it said that there are to be exceptions to any law.

Or is that how you justify your God torturing and killing innocent children and babies instead of his curing them as he definitely could?

28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

If the son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath only, how do you interpret "Lord even of the Sabbath"?

What else are we Lord over if not religions and Gods?

A God would not need to Lord it over us would he?

God are created to serve man and not man serve Gods.

Gods have no needs but men certainly do. Right?

Regards
DL
 
Man first, God second, is Humanism, not Christianity. As to the world being at peace, never has been, never will be. Seems like your kind have started the vast majority of the wars:

https://carm.org/religion-cause-war

"An interesting source of truth on the matter is Philip and Axelrod’s three-volume Encyclopedia of Wars, which chronicles some 1,763 wars that have been waged over the course of human history. Of those wars, the authors categorize 123 as being religious in nature,2 which is an astonishingly low 6.98% of all wars. However, when one subtracts out those waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage is cut by more than half to 3.23%."

War is not the issue of the O.P., but thanks anyway.

The religious have been the vast majority in all of those wars but if you think that the minority have manipulated believers into fighting wars, then take that strange position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

The author of that book would not agree with your views.

Regards
DL
 
War is not the issue of the O.P., but thanks anyway.

The religious have been the vast majority in all of those wars but if you think that the minority have manipulated believers into fighting wars, then take that strange position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

The author of that book would not agree with your views.

Regards
DL
Religion and War: Are Most Wars the Result of Religious Belief?
by Rich Deem

War and Religion
A slew of books by "evangelical" atheists have claimed that most of the world's suffering (including most wars) are the direct result of religious differences and the discord that it fosters. Such statements are seldom backed up by real evidence (other than citing a handful of wars that seem to be the result of religious differences).1Does religion really lead to war?

Rich Deem

Introduction
People can be pretty passionate about their religious beliefs. So, it is not surprising that at least a few famous wars have resulted from disagreements about religion. However, is it true what Sam Harris says that our tendency to slaughter each other "generally have their roots in religion?"2

History of human wars
The history of human warfare goes back to the beginning of recorded history (and, no doubt, well before that). A recent comprehensive compilation of the history of human warfare, Encyclopedia of Wars by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documents 1763 wars, of which 123 have been classified to involve a religious conflict.3 So, what atheists have considered to be "most" really amounts to less than 7% of all wars. It is interesting to note that 66 of these wars (more than 50%) involved Islam, which did not even exist as a religion for the first 3,000 years of recorded human warfare.

U.S.A. - the most religious country
Since the United States of America is and has been one of the most religious countries over the last 200+ years, if the atheists are correct, the U.S.A. should have been involved in the largest number of religious wars of any other nation. In fact, the United States has been involved in 17 wars, only one of which (the current "War on Terror") has any religious entanglement. The number of Americans who have died as the result of religious wars is 14.2/year, which is less than the number of people who die yearly from dog bites.4

Conclusion
The atheist claim that religion is the cause of most wars is shown to be false. The history of human warfare shows that less than 7% of all wars have religious causes. If atheists are correct, the most religious industrial nation, the United States of America, should be involved in more religious wars than any other country. However, only the "War on Terror," among all 17 American wars, involves a religious component.
 
It is easier to quote garbage than to actually think.

But go ahead and try to blame the minority for manipulating the vast majority to war.

That really makes a lot of sense, especially in the days when there was no separation of church and state.

Regards
DL
 
It is easier to quote garbage than to actually think.

But go ahead and try to blame the minority for manipulating the vast majority to war.

That really makes a lot of sense, especially in the days when there was no separation of church and state.

Regards
DL
I agree .. it's much easier to rant .. But the facts show otherwise
 
We can not put ourselves above God if we define him as the Creator. Why God wants us I do not know. it is a mystery. But there is plenty of proof from the Bible and elsewhere he dose
 
We can not put ourselves above God if we define him as the Creator. Why God wants us I do not know. it is a mystery. But there is plenty of proof from the Bible and elsewhere he dose
Why God wants us I do not know. it is a mystery.. I love that..
 
We can not put ourselves above God if we define him as the Creator. Why God wants us I do not know. it is a mystery. But there is plenty of proof from the Bible and elsewhere he dose

So you believe that a book that begins with a talking serpent and a God that murders his first human children by neglect and locking away what would have kept them alive to be showing a God who is worthy of us.

Ok.

Why do you think that an immoral genocidal God is a good God?

Regards
DL
 
Why God wants us I do not know. it is a mystery.. I love that..

All religious leaders say that God works in mysterious ways, is unknowable and unfathomable.

They then proceed to tell you all that they know and fathom of the unknowable and unfathomable.

What are the odds that they are all lying based on their own words?

Regards
DL
 
All religious leaders say that God works in mysterious ways, is unknowable and unfathomable.

They then proceed to tell you all that they know and fathom of the unknowable and unfathomable.

What are the odds that they are all lying based on their own words?

Regards
DL
ZERO..
 
So you believe that a book that begins with a talking serpent and a God that murders his first human children by neglect and locking away what would have kept them alive to be showing a God who is worthy of us.

Ok.

Why do you think that an immoral genocidal God is a good God?

Regards
DL
Tell everyone why you believe my God is a fallen God from your God.. please don't leave anything out. that should take you awhile..
 
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It is more important on how a Book ends than starts. Even in the Old Testament there is a loving God. e.g Leviticus 18 :6-29 The commandments.
God revelation to man moved away from an Angry God to that sum up in .the Beatitudes and Psalms.
 
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